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You are making it quite clear that you are "by no means an authority". Like everyone else , you only see one little situation which itself is bullshit - you pased the T's coming in, they are arrowed - not a problem. The problem is when do not see the gap going in and inadvertantly find yourself on that line comming out. If it is T'd, you KNOW it is there all along. That is the information I want in my hand, I do not want any suprises. I also like the side lines "check" arrowed, which is how I do Leon Sinks and anyplace else I put the line in , so that I can not go very far on the wrong line. In a place like Weenieland, where there are two foot gaps and lines on every wall and in every hole, the problem becomes the "nearest" air crap. You REALLY then need to know what line you came in on, and having plain view T's helps in not missing them, and CERTAINLY solves your one situation problem coming out in no vis - you can feel the things. The real answer is that it should make no difference, since we are all cave divers, but I think we all know better than that given the track record of the sport and the abysmal level of "anything for a buck" training out there. The weekend wonders created by the training agencies seem to find their way into the cemetery at an alarming pace, and T's or gaps will not make a difference. In caves where there are gaps, the local CDS and NACD goobers need to quit marking the cave to assume that you will make those jumps in an emergency. David, where I dive , making a wrong turn is death. Going 300 feet the wrong way ( unless I am on the rebreather ) is a death sentence. I know what I am talking about. I have done all of the rest of your caves and the stuff in Mexcio , Bahamas etc, as well as the real thing , and at any depth on any gas , not being sure is hell. Getting lost off of the line and finding another one that you did not see before is a real eye opener. When you dive caves that go tannic periodicly, the line is stained the color of the walls , floor etc. You will not see anything but a T'd line with arrows on it in that situation. You will miss anything else unless you know it is there already. Many of you dive the same stuff all the time and know it, as do we know the Woodvillle Karst Plain Caves, but switch places and we have charlie foxtrot potential. I treat my own caves as if they have been gooberized overnight, which in fact happens quite frequently in the first few hundred feet that the morons can get to - they dick with the arrows and mess the whole thing up, usaully leaving "hero" arrows well shy of the first stage drop in most places that they sneak. Still a pro will get by anything, but why take the chance. I like all the cards in my hand, rather than just my dick when it goes bad, and that is why I am still here and have done what I have done and gotten away with it so consistenly - I think that way all the time. O'Daniel, David wrote: > > George: > For a commonly dove cave system, a main line with gaps are preferred (DIR > even if you must). Simply for the following scenario: If you have had a > problem, visibility has dropped, whatever the case. You are on your way > out, would you prefer to navigate 4 Ts or simply navigate 1 gap, and have a > main line out to open water? It makes sense. I am by NO MEANS an > authority, but I do have a simplistic approach to my diving...if you have a > different train of thought on this, please share it with me. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:51 PM > To: O'Daniel, David > Cc: 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' > Subject: Re: Gaps and T's > > Bullshit. > > O'Daniel, David wrote: > > > > Gaps are choice. T's can be dangerous in a siltout or high stress > > situation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Markwell [mailto:joeldm@mi*.co*] > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:18 PM > > To: Techdiver > > Subject: Gaps and T's > > > > Which is safer? A cave lined with a segmented line system which has 10' > gaps > > which are clearly marked with double arrows and which a diver must deploy > a > > reel to safely traverse that gap > > > > OR > > > > A single line system of T'd lines that have clearly marked double arrows > > pointing to the exit on the inbound side of each T and on which one would > > deploy a clip on the exit side? > > > > If you gave both systems to a reasonably intelligent unbiased panel of > > divers with all the relevant facts, which would they choose? > > > > Is a T safer than a gap? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > Later, > > > > JoeL > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. O'Daniel, David wrote: > > George: > For a commonly dove cave system, a main line with gaps are preferred (DIR > even if you must). Simply for the following scenario: If you have had a > problem, visibility has dropped, whatever the case. You are on your way > out, would you prefer to navigate 4 Ts or simply navigate 1 gap, and have a > main line out to open water? It makes sense. I am by NO MEANS an > authority, but I do have a simplistic approach to my diving...if you have a > different train of thought on this, please share it with me. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:51 PM > To: O'Daniel, David > Cc: 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' > Subject: Re: Gaps and T's > > Bullshit. > > O'Daniel, David wrote: > > > > Gaps are choice. T's can be dangerous in a siltout or high stress > > situation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Markwell [mailto:joeldm@mi*.co*] > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:18 PM > > To: Techdiver > > Subject: Gaps and T's > > > > Which is safer? A cave lined with a segmented line system which has 10' > gaps > > which are clearly marked with double arrows and which a diver must deploy > a > > reel to safely traverse that gap > > > > OR > > > > A single line system of T'd lines that have clearly marked double arrows > > pointing to the exit on the inbound side of each T and on which one would > > deploy a clip on the exit side? > > > > If you gave both systems to a reasonably intelligent unbiased panel of > > divers with all the relevant facts, which would they choose? > > > > Is a T safer than a gap? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > Later, > > > > JoeL > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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