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Tom, I think the issue here is continuous vs buckle: The only real=20 difference here is the fact that you have to cut the webbing. In a real=20 emergency, you are going to cut BOTH straps. The time difference between=20 cutting one strap and two is at most 5 seconds. And it is pretty obvious=20 that cutting is faster than wriggling someone out of their webbing, on=20 EITHER arm, so yes, you are going to cut, and you are going to cut both=20 straps. The only way you can argue for quick disconnects is to have them=20 on both straps, which is ludicrous Cutting somewhat out is the way to go. At 11:53 AM 2/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Zeca > >I have no doubt that your students get out of their equipment in under 40 >seconds. I get out of mine in 20 seconds however the reason I went to a >quick release is that getting me out is not the same as getting a disabled >victim out of their gear. The drill is to get the victim out of their >equipment and I congratulate you if your students can get a victim out of >their gear in under 40 seconds. It is rare that I have had a student get a >victim >out of their gear in under 1 1/2 minutes while in continuous webbing. > >Everyone can get themselves out in the 30 to 50 second range if they are= not >keeping a >victim stable. > >This is the drill that I refer to from the IANTD Trimix diver standards > >10. Simulate a rescue of a diver, tow the diver on the surface for a >distance of at least 40 feet (12 meters) while simulating mouth to mouth >resuscitation. Go through EMS procedures and remove equipment from victim= in >the water (equipment removal must be accomplished in less than 1 =BD >minutes, ). Repeat until proficient. > >So any student that can do this may stay in continuous webbing, they can >even practice it and then do it. My experience is it is rare that it is >completed. > >All of the people are quick when just doing removal and replacement of >their gear while not managing a victim. > >Zeca I hope to dive with you in Brazil someday to. > >Respectfully yours, >Tom Mount >CEO IANTD World HQ >http://www.iantd.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Zeca <staff@un*.co*.br*> >To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*> >Cc: Simon Murray <simonm@ho*.co*.za*>; Tech Diver ><techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:44 PM >Subject: Re: stroke tee shirt /dive girl mag > > > > Tom Mount wrote: > > > > > > Simon > > > > > IANTD in its trimix course requires a rescue and removal of all >equipment > > > as PART of emergency response training. the equipment is removed= within >1 > > > 1/2 minutes. It is extremely rare that someone in a continuous webbed > > > harness can complete this. > > > > Sorry Mr. Tom Mount, but all my students never spent more then 40 > > seconds to remove of all the equipment using 100% of DIR configuration( > > the average is 35 seconds ). > > I have proved to Afonso ( your representative here in Brazil ) because > > he has been insisting like you, that quick releases are better. > > > > When my son ( that is PADI Instructor ) was invited by Afonso to take > > the Technical Cave Training, at first I told him "Son, you can decide > > which configuration is better for you during the training, don't worry > > about me and you can not imitate my configuration ( that is 100% DIR )" > > Then he decided by himself to use 100% DIR and during this skill, he > > removed all the equipment in 30 seconds. Afonso was very surprised, but > > I wasn't. You can ask to Mr. Larry Green ( IANTD IT ) that was there on > > vacation at same time. He saw everything. > > > > It was a pleasure to talk with you and I hope one day to see you here in > > Brazil. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Zeca > > IANTD Instructor > > PADI Course Director > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ---------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest. ---------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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