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Dave, pardon me, I was not referring to cave and overhead environs, you would know better here,( why do the stealth divers do what they do with GUE?????) Obviously practice makes perfect! Usually what we do in open water is practice a lot ,i.e. during training for CMAS ** exam. This exam is conducted by an unbiased examiner usually a moniteur**, this includes the ooa scenario, which is proper air sharing, i.e. buddy breathing ,i.e. 2 divers sharing the same 2`nd. We are encouraged to donate the primary from word go! Again, in the early stages of training the students are told about ooa drills before the dive, but as they progress the ooa drills become impromptu decisions on behalf of the dive leader. This is the only way to ascertain how switched on your buddy is and how aware he/she is to your profile. Everyone practises for something at some stage in their lives, but I have to say, any time a fire drill was executed in any building I was in, no one was told it was a drill until after the event. When the U.S. Armed Forces have a drill, is every grunt notified in advance??? Again, I know nothing about cave,but tell me, how do you know your buddy is watching you if you have no pre arranged drills? I would imagine that an unanounced drill would ensure better buddy skills for all on any following dive.Who said you have to drill ooa deep inside a cave? Could you do it, say 200 ft. in?100 ft in? 50 ft in? Like I said, I know nothing about cave, but what I do know is this, all divers in my club, 15 in total, are constantly on alert and very capable in dealing with ooa, simply because we do not announce it pre dive. Best, JACK ----- Original Message ----- From: Smith, Dave <DSmith@sp*.ut*.tm*.ed*> To: <omegasac@ti*.ie*> Cc: <raurich@ia*.ne*> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: RE: "Light Doubling" > Jack -- > > Take it from a different angle. Drills are to teach you to operate smoothly > and correctly, and MOST emergencies work that way: you have time to do it > right and will if you have the routine down. You also NEVER pull fake > emergencies for OOA drills, because your buddy is going to do whatever it > takes to get air to you instantly, including messing up. If he or she > expects it, the drill will go smoother and be safer, and later so will real > life. You also announce when the OOA drill will be done (end of dive or OW > before you start in typically) so an OOA at any other time is recognized and > you can do what you don't do in drills: make sure buddy is ok, get on the > line if there's a siltout coming, get other buddies' attention, look for the > problem that caused the OOA since some things are fixable, then see if there > are tasks, like picking up anything buddy left or dropped racing over to get > to your air, and in general both of you get calm so the exit is smooth and > your air consumption gets back down. The drills in class and practice drills > don't do this, nobody deliberately silts for "realism" because it is > dangerously stupid, there is no equipment problem to be solved when it is > only a drill, buddy didn't drop anything getting to you, etc. And of course, > buddy hasn't been OOA and isn't fighting to keep his brain functioning. > > In short, drills can't actually duplicate emergencies, you do them to smooth > the skills that have to be right. You're also in a cave, bad place for > crying wolf. > > Regards > Dave Smith > U Tx School of Public Health > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jack [mailto:omegasac@ti*.ie*] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 4:05 PM > To: techdiver-aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: "Light Doubling" > > > Rick, how can you practice"emergency drills" if they are pre planned and > everyone knows about them? > An emergency drill is, by its title, an emergency. Lets not tell each other > that btw I`ll feign ooa when we get back to the shot!!!! > I want to know my buddy is AWAKE, SWITCHED ON,so, no Rick that won`t work > for me,Jack. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Aurich <raurich@ia*.ne*> > To: GUE <quest@gu*.co*> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: "Light Doubling" > > > > My buddies and I practice some drills on almost every dive. However, we > > always discuss which drills we are going to practice prior to the dive as > > part of the dive plan. I don't think it's appropriate to act like there > is > > an emergency of some kind when there is not one. That in itself can cause > > problems that do not need to happen. I do however advocate light awareness > > and will test my buddies sometimes when I am not leading by holding my > light > > to my chest occasionally to see how long it takes them to respond. I also > > encourage my buddies to do this to me to keep me aware. > > > > Rick Aurich > > > > >Do you advocate buddy tests like this among different team members? > > Turning > > >lights off, periodically giving the OOA signal to each other, etc> > Things > > >outside the typical s-drill done at the beginning of the dive that is. > It > > >occurs to me that if different team members were secure with one another > > they > > >would not mind these occasional scenarios to keep one another alert and > in > > good > > >form. What are your thoughts? > > > > > >Tod > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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