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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 21:01:55 -0500
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*
CC: quiglem@ib*.ne*, armantrout@at*.ne*, Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Oxygen Limits
Excellent point, and then we have the breaking techniques that have also
long ago not only been used to allow this ( elevated ppo2's for deco),
but to prevent pulmonary toxicity, the second subject so severely
botched by this "doctor".

In additon, the times and nubmer used by this guy are so off base as to
be ludicrous.

Them to make matters even worse, these are the same morons who put out a
table of ridiculous PPO2's with "time limits" for diving, in a vacuum of
any real application information, which the "training agencies" then
latch onto and spread to those who use them to die with.


ScottBonis@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Thanks for the discourse on oxygen toxicity but I'm afraid that you didn't
quite get the objective of my query.  You see, I was trying to give you a
chance to correct your own mistake.  But you felt more comfortable in
pontificating and repeating your previous misinformation.  So I shall try to
restate my comments more directly.
> 
> Your posting to me of 2/9/00 was absolutely correct as long as you were
speaking of the NOAA oxygen toxicity limits.  However when you said
> 
> << ... If you're going to be exposed to O2 over 0.5 partial pressure on
a dive for 125 minutes, you should limit the maximum ppO2 at any point of the
dive to 1.4. >>
> 
> This statement is not only wrong, I'm sure it is violated regularly by
virtually every experienced deep diver on this list.  It is actually ridiculous
to try to propagate this kind of garbage on a list that includes some of the
premier divers of our time.
> 
> As a simple example of just how stupid your statement is, you are telling me
that for any deep dive I do that includes a total time (including deco time) of
125 minutes, I cannot use 100% oxygen for deco at 20 feet.  Who do you think
you are you kidding?
> 
> You need to go back and learn the meaning of (and how to calculate) a CNS
oxygen clock.  You will find that it is necessary to consider the amount of
time spent at say, a PPO2 of 1.4, then to figure the percentage of the
allowable CNS exposure that that time represents.  And then to repeat this
calculation for each time period which represents a different PPO2.  And then
to add all of the percentages to arrive at the total for the CNS clock.  I
personally try to keep this total to less than 50%
> 
> But to say that the maximum PPO2 allowable is a function of the total dive
time (without considering the various PPO2's for the different portions of the
dive time), is absolutely ridiculous.  I strongly suggest that you take a
certification course before using any Nitrox blend or if you have been
certified to use Nitrox (I hope not so your comments would be simply out of a
lack of training), get your money back from your instructor.  And for goodness
sake, make sure your brain is engaged before
> 
> And you also owe a "thank you" to Trey, Arman and Don Mcinnis for caring
enough about your safety to comment on your posting.
> 
> Take care and better luck next time.          Scott


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