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Michael (Kane), you are wasting your time with Mike Black. If he knew what he was talking about , he would try it over here and face the firing squad . Like so many exiles on rec scuba, he woefully does not. The real story is that we all can tolerate masive ppo2's in a dry environment where the pressure is equal over the whole body, and the body is not immersed in any liquid. This dumb fuck does not know that little point, and so is extrapolating that information to assume it is ok to have a high ppo2 immersed. IT IS NOT. In addition, the worst thing that had been found in diving is the PPO2 "spike" , followed by the high working PPO2, and the long or repeated high PPO2 exposure. "Dr" Mike is is tad off in recomnending this practice since it gives not only the "spike" but since the morn is doing it in a "pony" or "bailout" , is doing so under stress. This guy is one seriously out of his element stroke, and needs to STFU about diving at any level. We will not even go into how stupid it is to pony anything, I don't have time for it, but the facts of diving life say Mike Black is so wrong as to be criminally negligent in putting out shit like this with "MD" attached to his name. MHK wrote: > > I have copied a post that I have sent to rec. scuba, I have been going back > and forth over the last 2 weeks with Dr. Demento A.K.A. as Dr. MJB. > > It seems Dr. Demento believes that it is acceptable to use a P02 of 1.9, at > depth, in his * pony * bottle. As I have been unsuccessful in getting this > idiot to see the light of way I thought maybe some on this list may want to > take a shot at showing our dear doctor the error of his ways. > > > MJB, > > > > I gave you the perfect way to bow out gracefully, I said let sleeping dogs > > lie, but you decided to retort, once agin with your utter stupidity, so > now > > I am left with no choice but to, once again, point out your stupidity. > > > > > > > > You distorted the facts, and it is VERY TRUE that this needs to be > > > cleared up. I do not PLAN any dive to pO2 1.9. I often carry a > > > pony bottle with EAN40 and NEVER use it. > > > > No shit. You shouldn't use your pony. Your pony, in your own words, is > > used exclusively for bailout purposes, that's the only thing you said in > > that thread that made sense. But where you utterly failed in your > planning, > > despite your arrogant and condescending request that only diver's withh > > 1,000+ plus respond, is that you CLEARLY stated that you would be diving > to > > an MOD of 130', once again, your words not mine. You also pontificated > that > > you suggest that a 40% mix is what you recommend using in your pony. > > > > 40% at 130' yeilds an P02 of 1.9. Absent all your other condesending, > > medicinal bullshit, that is the most ridiculous planning I have ever heard > > of. By your own admission, you will only use your pony in and emergency > > situation, you then arrogantly suggest that in said emergency, that 1.9 is > > acceptable. What the hell is your logic???? > > > > What have you gained by excedding the recommended PP02's by such a large > > measure??? > > > > Hint: You gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and you risk oxygen toxicity. > > > > Now from what I gather, you believe that you possess a working knowledge > of > > OxTox because rather than defend your stupidity you entertained us with > some > > irrelevant post citing inapplicable information respecting OxTox. > > > > So rather than quote some bullshit, tell everyone reading this thread, > your > > colleague Dr. Bennett included, why you recommend breathing a mix of 1.9 > in > > emergency situations???? > > > > No other doctorial nonsense, cite facts, authority and reasoning... > > > > Stop misdirecting the question and just answer it. I've asked it, Miranda > > has asked it and Scott has asked it and you have FAILED to answer it, > citing > > your high and mighty belief that you *know the risks and have accepted > > them*. Who gives a shit what you think you know, if you are recommending > > something to someone else, they have a right to know why. When a patient > > comes into your office and you recommend treatment and they question why > do > > you just tell that that you have evaluated *there* risk or do you explain > > why???? > > > > > > It is there for bailout > > > only. Most wrecks I dive are in 130ffw or less. I do not PLAN to > > > breathe my pony at this depth, but if I have to I will, and I know > > > to get the hell outa there. My PLAN calls for breathing air. > > > > Your plan sucks!!!!!! > > > > > Your misunderstanding of pulmonary vs CNS oxygen toxicity was clearly > > > evident to me when you questioned the statement about breathing > > > a 1.6 mix for 45 minutes to reach 100% on the CNS clock. I have a > > > feeling you understand the concept better now. > > > > > > You idiot you still don't get it... Who the hell is talking about OTU's, > we > > are talking about convulsing because your P02's are too high... > > > > Do some homework, study the issue and then talk to me about pulmonary -v- > > CNS. You are a complete contradiction in terms. Even Dr. Bennett's > > article emphasized the fact that P02's need to be lowered, so you are > > defending him, agreeing with him, but arguing with me that you can breathe > > 1.9 for 45 minutes. No wonder why HMO's are taking over the medical > > profession. > > > > Did you go to medical school in Guatemala??? > > > > > > > Neither, see above. I must say that I do find it very interesting > > > based on DAN's data from 1996 that the incidence of DCI with Nitrox > > > is twice that of air. > > > > Once again, and this is a record even for you, you missed the point. The > > stats are WAY OFF. There is NOTHING about these stats that can be relied > > upon. They are meaningless, but you are to blind or to arrogant to see > it. > > They are comparing apples to oranges. > > > > I have never subscribed to the notion that > > > Nitrox is "safer" than air, and the statistics are beginning to show > > > this. It is evident to me that as we push the envelope with this > > > mixed gas diving, unless we understand it better, we are walking a > > > very fine line. > > > > *We* aren't walking any such fine line. *We* study it, *We* understand it > > and *We* are successful diving it. You keep clinging to 1.9 and then > > question why the stats are so high. What an idiot...... > > > > Why in God's name would you pontificate about using 1.9 and then dare to > > suggest that Nitrox is more dangerous than air. If it is, it's because of > > idiots like you that don't have a god damn clue what they are talking > about, > > dive dangerous mixes and then arrogantly defend stupidity. > > > > If they stats support more danger it is because of you........ > > > > Later > > > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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