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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:11:26 -0500
From: "Case E. Harris" <diveman@cy*.co*>
To: p k <abyss30@ho*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Force Fins (was: Newbie)
Most force fins totally suck. Billy Deans helped them design a model
that sculls very well. They're called "Accellerating Force". Much
narrower through the middle, with a more pronounced flare at the tips.
two very thick spines run the length for stiffness. Most force fin
wearers I've put them on can't kick them well. bent leg kicks don't work
as well with these. The bungee straps they come with are kinda neat too.
Quite a bit like everyone's favorite Spring straps.

Mine have been hanging on the wall for a year since my Jets arrived. I'd
much rather put a $50 pair of Jets on than a $400 pair of force fins!

Happy diving!
-Case

p k wrote:
> 
> Not to sound critical here but how do you scull or frog kick with them? As I
> said before I owned a set, and dove them for the better part of a year,
> those are just two kicking techniques you can't do
> with them. If you never silt with them, I'm amazed.
> Scuba Pro Jet Fins.
> 
> >From: "Einar Hagen" <einar.hagen@un*.co*>
> >Reply-To: "Einar Hagen" <einar.hagen@un*.co*>
> >To: "p k" <abyss30@ho*.co*>
> >Subject: Force Fins (was: Newbie)
> >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 03:08:59 +0100
> >
> >Silting or not is a matter of technique, as I don't silt at all
> >with my ForceFins. What kind did u use?
> >
> >
> >Einar
> >
> > > AK,
> > >   Just a couple of suggestions. First, loose the idea of force fins they
> >are
> > > ridiculous(I know I used to own a set) A. they don't give you anywhere
> >near
> > > enough thrust and   B. they will silt up easily (pretty important if
> >your
> >in
> > > a wreck or even on a reef).
> > >
> > > Second,it sounds to me like you are "almost" DIR with what you describe
> >(the
> > > basic components are there) so, if you are shown the right way to rig
> >it,
> >to
> > > streamline it, you'll have a kit you can take anywhere. Look at Tod
> >Leonards
> > > page,or the GUE page they can help you.
> > >
> > >          PK
> > > P.S.  It isn't overkill it's simplicity at it's best
> > >
> > > >From: Akula <iopi.geo@ya*.co*>
> > > >To: S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N <silent@cu*.ne*>,
> >techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Newbie
> > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:16:11 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Its to Over kill for what I need.
> > > >
> > > >Have you heard of anything called ARSE?
> > > >
> > > >AK
> > > >
> > > >--- S I L E N T  I M M E R S I O N <silent@cu*.ne*>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > Consider going DIR... what's holding you back?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > THOMAS
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to all those who replied.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > just a few things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know computers aren't DIR, but I'm not a DIR
> > > > > diver,
> > > > > > I dive in the UK and warm water diving.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My target config is:-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twin 7l steel 232bar iso manifolded with din
> > > > > fittings
> > > > > > apeks tx50's hog rigged.
> > > > > > ss back plate with single peice harness.
> > > > > > 45lb dive rite TREK(AKA junior wing) wing.
> > > > > > trilaminate black drysuit
> > > > > > cc liftbag/dmsb
> > > > > > force fins
> > > > > > TLS 712 delrin torch.
> > > > > > with TLS backup torchs.
> > > > > > Sunto vyper EAN computer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also I know that building my own computer isn't
> > > > > > economically viable and/or acceptedly safe but I
> > > > > want
> > > > > > to do it to learn about deco and electronics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AK
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- S I L E N T  I M M E R S I O N
> > > > > <silent@cu*.ne*>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Sounds great!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Welcome!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > THOMAS
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Akula <iopi.geo@ya*.co*>
> > > > > > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:32 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Newbie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just thought I would introduce my self
> > > > > having
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > joined the list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm a sports diver from the UK. I have PADI
> > > > > AOW,
> > > > > > > and I
> > > > > > > > am now working towards the Satans Aquatic Army
> > > > > > > club
> > > > > > > > diver. I have a TDI basic nitrox as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My kit ATM consists of a stab, 12L steel
> > > > > 232bar,
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > two Apeks tx50's in black. I have a 7mm
> > > > > neoprene
> > > > > > > > teabag and misc other bits. I have just bought
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > SS
> > > > > > > > backplate with STA, am about to order a
> > > > > DiveRite
> > > > > > > Trek
> > > > > > > > wing. I have also ordered a canister torch
> > > > > from an
> > > > > > > > ausy company.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ATM I am working on a diving related
> > > > > electronics
> > > > > > > > project to build a deco computer. The
> > > > > electronics
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > easy and I have most of that worked out. the
> > > > > > > difficult
> > > > > > > > bit is now the software. I am looking to learn
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > as possible about deco, so if you have any
> > > > > info
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > would care to share I would be great ful.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > AK
> > > > > > > >
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