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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:33:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mat Bloedorn <mbloedorn@ya*.co*>
Subject: Re: Newbie
To: Akula <iopi.geo@ya*.co*>, trey@ne*.co*
Cc: Sean Ennis <ennis@es*.ca*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Ok, Akula,

If you already know it all, then you don't need the people on this
list.  You are right DIR is not better, do it your way.

Now, since you already know it all, you do not need to be
subscibed to this list right?

Mat.

P.S.  Try sitting back and litening for a while.  It will
all become clear with a little time.

--- Akula <iopi.geo@ya*.co*> wrote:
> Yes but would the 9MM be dir? wheres that back up
> etc....
> 
> and I take it it would have to be a black 9mm?
> 
> AK
> 
> --- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote:
> > Why don't you just get a 9MM and shoot yourself now?
> > You are not
> > listening to anything guy. Somebody needs to hide
> > your wallet from you
> > until you have a chance to think about this .
> > 
> > 
> > Akula wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- Sean Ennis <ennis@es*.ca*> wrote:
> > > > [Everything bellow is meant to help, and has the
> > > > best intentions]
> > > >
> > > > I hope you've got an asbestos lined dry suit...
> > > > because
> > > > I'm guessing by now you've received several
> > flames.
> > > > General internet edict hint - read a newsgroups
> > or
> > > > mailing list for about a month before you post
> > on it
> > > > to see what the culture is. This one tends to
> > lean
> > > > towards the 'DIR' (Do It Right) philosophy of
> > > > diving.
> > > > Your post indicates that you are not (or haven't
> > > > discovered
> > > > it yet), and probably puts you in a bad light
> > > > because
> > > > of it...
> > > 
> > > I have discovered DIR and I am looking to attain a
> > > highbred which is useful for the diving I am
> > doing.
> > > This is why i am getting the wing and hope to get
> > twin
> > > 7's 232bar steel cylinders with din fittings.
> > > 
> > > > In any case... I'll go through your post and try
> > and
> > > > answer you question.
> > > >
> > > > Akula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just thought I would introduce my self
> > having
> > > > just
> > > > > joined the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a sports diver from the UK. I have PADI
> > AOW,
> > > > and I
> > > > > am now working towards the Satans Aquatic Army
> > > > club
> > > > > diver. I have a TDI basic nitrox as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > My kit ATM consists of a stab, 12L steel
> > 232bar,
> > > > with
> > > >
> > > > ATM????
> > > 
> > > ne one who has been on th net for anylength of
> > time
> > > will know that ATM means At The Moment. just like
> > BTW,
> > > means By the Way etc...
> > > 
> > > > > two Apeks tx50's in black. I have a 7mm
> > neoprene
> > > > > teabag and misc other bits. I have just bought
> > a
> > > > SS
> > > > > backplate with STA, am about to order a
> > DiveRite
> > > > Trek
> > > > > wing. I have also ordered a canister torch
> > from an
> > > > > ausy company.
> > > > >
> > > > > ATM I am working on a diving related
> > electronics
> > > > > project to build a deco computer. The
> > electronics
> > > > is
> > > > > easy and I have most of that worked out. the
> > > > difficult
> > > > > bit is now the software. I am looking to learn
> > as
> > > > much
> > > > > as possible about deco, so if you have any
> > info
> > > > you
> > > > > would care to share I would be great ful.
> > > >
> > > > 1) Most of the better deco algorithms/plans are
> > > > proprietary,
> > > >     and you are not likely to find them out in
> > the
> > > > open
> > > >     (hence you'll probably have to buy the
> > rights to
> > > > one)
> > > 
> > > There is that But I will still try
> > > 
> > > > 2) AFAIK - making a water tight contain
> > (especially
> > > > under
> > > >     pressure) is not an easy task - are you sure
> > you
> > > > want
> > > >     to go to the trouble?
> > > 
> > > Have have friends in engineering and also the
> > ability
> > > to test to depths in excess of 1000m ( not that I
> > > will, 20bar static pressure only)
> > > 
> > > > 3) I develop software... it would take a lot of
> > > >     testing time before I would be confident
> > that
> > > > I'd
> > > >     implemented the algorithm correctly. Do you
> > have
> > > > the
> > > >     resources (time/knowledge) to test it fully.
> > > > Would you
> > > >     trust you life to it?
> > > 
> > > I have a life time to test it
> > > 
> > > > 4) There are commercial units available
> > (probably at
> > > > a
> > > >     price cheaper than what it would cost you in
> > -
> > > > time and
> > > >     supplies to make your own). Is it really
> > worth
> > > > while
> > > >     building one your self.
> > > 
> > > I want to build one to learn more about deco and
> > > electronics design.
> > > 
> > > > 5) Using a dive computer is not DIR... the idea
> > they
> > > > profess
> > > >     (as I understand it) is to plan your dive
> > before
> > > > hand
> > > >     (including all the stops you'll have to do)
> > and
> > > > then
> > > >     dive that plan (don't stay longer). If you
> > have
> > > > problems,
> > > >     and have to start surfacing earlier, then
> > your
> > > > same stops,
> > > >     etc. should still be appropriate. There's a
> > > > reason PADI
> > > >     doesn't slap a computer on your wrist in
> > your OW
> > > > class.
> > > >     To quote George (you'll see him on the list
> > > > kirving(?))
> > > >     "The best (dive) computer in the world is
> > your
> > > > brain".
> > > >
> > > > (If you want info on DIR, let me know... I'll
> > send
> > > > you
> > > > a couple of site I've found)
> > > 
> > > I know and understand this but the diving I'm
> > doing
> > > isn't DIR and a dive computer is standard issue.
> > > 
> > > I am a uk sport diver.
> > > 
> > > AK
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Sean E.
> > > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> 
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