Hey, Joe.

Claudia is certified full cave. Has all the PADI bullshit. Has been
accepted, and is starting GUE training this month.
She is German and there might be a *little* misunderstanding, on *your*
part. PADI gets bashed because they deserve it.

Having said that, your "response" is really tacky. If you have a point to
make, make it with a little class. She is a lady, and you *should* be a
gentleman. You are falling short of your obligation. Are you hip?

Now, remember back when you were in Kindergarten, they taught you how to act
like a big boy?

Try it. If you cant act like a big boy, and treat the ladies with common
decency, S2.   =:-

Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West <Joe.West@fu*.ca*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: Claudia, Claudia, Claudia, <sigh> Was FW: FW: Cave training


> Okay... if you're going to spout off about something you know nothing
about,
> at least try be accurate.  PADI has enough of a bad rap around here
> (sometimes for good reason) without people spouting off bullshit which
isn't
> even close to the truth.
>
> PADI calls it Cavern diving, The specialty card has "Cavern" on it
(nowhere
> does it say cave). the word "Cave" is mentioned in the specialty course
only
> to specifically describe to the student that Cavern *does not* equal Cave.
> How about I just put a few quotes from the trainers manual:
>
> "Cavern diving is defined as any dive conducted within the light zone of a
> cave.  Cave diving is any dive conducted beyond the light zone of a cave.
> The light zone of a cave is defined as that part of the cave from which
> natural light illuminating the entrance is visible at all times"
>
> Granted... this is far from a perfect description, but I think it get's
the
> point across to any diver with an IQ greater than 50.
>
> Furthermore, as an additional safety measure (for the idiots who didn't
> understand the above statement) the instructor's manual goes on to say:
>
> "This course covers the knowledge and techniques of cavern diving and
> describes the dangers involved with cave diving.  Cavern diving is in NO
WAY
> intended to provide instruction for cave diving"
>
> Care to backup your statements below with some concrete examples Claudia?
> If not, then stick to the truth or (if I might borrow from George's
> techniques).. STFU
> <grin>
>
> Joe F. West
> 98TJ Completely Stock, Not an aftermarket part on it.
> http://members.home.com/joewest2/
> (Okay... so I lied) <grin>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claudia Milz [mailto:cmilz@Mi*.ED*]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:56 AM
> To: Mcinnis, Don
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Cave training
>
>
> Don,
>
> > By the way, doesn't PADI sell a Cave C card as well?
> Geez, no. That is cavern - they just call it cave since that sells
> better. I find that pretty dangerous to say the least.
>
> Claudia
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