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Don, I copied this back to the list because it is so informative. Hope
you do not mind.. A couple of things. Yes, constant running degenerates
the joints. No, I did not get the injury from running or playing
football,  but when I got hit in the back of the head with a beer bottle
and landed on my knees on the pavement, 25 years ago getting out of my
car in a parking lot. Luckily for me, I had the defensive end in the
front seat and the middle linebacker in the back, or I would have been
dead. Jealous boyfriend thing - I got a lot of that in college.

Today they just removed the pieces that had been flapping around all
that time.

Here is what I have found out - contrary to the usual thinking on this
you do not need to do big runs to do big competition runs. You can do
one hour runs and be fine . It is a whole new game beyond 12 miles, and
all it does it cause damage. I also found that you do not need to do
transitions from bike to run, and that the smart thing is to run and
then ride for both the joints and the training .The best long distance
cardio are the swim and the bike - you can swim a couple of hours
without any damage, and you can ride a bike for five or six hours hard
with no damage. These things, spinning, machines and some weights all
mixed together give you the massive conditioning required to do
endurance, without any of the damage, and a far better "look" and feel.

I have never been in such good shape as I am now, and my whole
metabolism and everything has changed with it. All the fat is gone and
the elasticity of my muscles is back like is was years ago, and my
streght is way up. I think you have to hit it hard in every way and then
just show up every day. Long distance is a head game anyway. Cameron my
have some other ideas on this, but I know that for me the full tilt
boogie workouts are my thing now, and mixing it up is key.
Don W. wrote:
> 
> George,
> 
> Glad to hear that your knee ops went so smoothly.  What did you
> get done?  Do you think that the knee problems were a result of
> your tri-athelete training?
> 
> FWIW, I used to work out and run with a racquetball buddy of mine
> here in Austin.  Another of the guys in our RB group was an avid
> marathoner, and he got all of the rest of us into it.  Needless to
> say we all got in pretty good shape over the next several years.
> 
> However there was a downside:
> 
> All of us were in our late 30's, early 40's, and all of that running
> started taking its toll on knees, hips, and backs.
> 
> My friend Ed Knuckolls is a couple of years younger than me and
> ultra-competitive.  He decided that he wanted to not only run the
> marathon, but also to place with the elite runners that come to
> Austin to run, so he started training on longer distances (up to
> 34 mile runs) so that he'd be able to be strong all the way through
> the 26 mile race.)  He ended up coming in with a time equivalent to
> 26 consequtive 6.5 minute miles.
> 
> Less than two months after the race, one of the disks in his lower
> back perforated, and he lost all feeling in one of his legs.  He
> ended up having a fusion surgery, and the feeling came back.  Later,
> another disk went, and he had another surgery.  Still has a numb
> patch in one leg to this day.  The doc thinks that the wear and tear
> from all the running wore into his disks.  He can no longer run or
> play racquetball.
> 
> So, out of a group of about 10-12 people, we ended up with four
> knee surgerys, two back surgerys (Ed's).  My hips and knees still
> bother me on extended runs, so I now keep it down to 3-5 miles.
> 
> BTW, I've been really sick since Friday, and only saw your deco
> thread today.  I've got some questions and I'll send them in a
> separate email to the list.
> 
> Heal up quickly,
> 
> Don W.
> 
> kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> >
> > Got my knee done this morning and am already back walking again, can
> > drive and all. May even do spining tonight. These guys are good down
> > here. I had been seriosuly concerned that I might had trouble getting my
> > dry suit on or something for this weekend's first dive of the
> > Millennium.
> >
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