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Subject: Re: movement through water
From: shelps@ac*.ma*.ad*.ed*.au* (Prime Rat)
Cc: techdiver@opal.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:30:45 +1030
>   >A swimming tail is not only less efficient for straight line travel it is 
>   >horrendously complex compared to a propeller.  
>
>Why is it less efficient?  

Many years ago when energetics of motion was a research subject in vogue 
several groups published graphs showing relative efficiencies of swimming, 
bicycling, flying etc etc.  A swimming fish of a given mass and speed used a 
lot more oxygen than of a boat with a propellor.  Alas I do not have the 
references handy but I'll snoop around.

>   >If you don't want a conventional drive, what about magnetohydrodynamic 
>(visa vis Red October)?
>
>Well, for one thing, MHD drive requires supercondutor style magnets, liquid 
>nitrogen, and other ultra-high tech and high $$$ equipment.  I was thinking 
>along the lines of simplicity.  If two slabs of peizo-plastic in a 
meta-tail >and $10 computer controller to make the motion does it, then it 
doesn't seem >all that complex to me.  

Well, the motion of a fish (or dolphin) tail is more coplexx than simply 
flapping back and forth.  You may need more than one or 2 slabs of 
peizo-plastic in your meta-tail and I suspect a computer with enough power 
to monitor local water pressure, local thrust (across the meta-tail) etc etc 
is going to cost more than $10.  All this needs to be powered also.  
Temperature is a problem fish have with their energetics.  I believe Tuna 
solve this by being warm blooded but then, they are voracous feeders as 
well.  Comment from the icthyologists?

As to superconducting magnets, once they are superconducting don't they stay 
that way?  I thought the whole appeal of MHD was that it was more efficient 
than a propellor (no turbulence).  If you want liquid nitrogen (or even 
liquid helium) we have some here.

What about a MHD scooter for dragging divers around instead of those 
propellor powered things.

>I'm not "telling", I'm "asking"...  ???

I'm not "telling", I'm discussing.

Have a nice day.  

/rat


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