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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:00:08 -0800
To: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
Subject: Re: flared fitting was: Re: Who is nforcer1??
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
That hose comes standard with all DUI drysuits, and the fitting can be 
changed to any hose, like when you want a shorter one for argon.

At 08:45 PM 12/26/1999 -0500, you wrote:


>>    Let me ask you - in the other post - do you guys use the dry suit
>>hose with the flared fitting, and can you get that one on and off with
>>gloves?  I use it just to be able to get it off faster in a runaway.
>
>Just became aware of that hose this year, works very well.It came on a pc. 
>of new gear in the shop and I got it for test purposes :) Does it have a 
>proper name? I have also found that all standard hoses are not the same, 
>one hose would work then another not, all were standard hoses, did I get a 
>bad set or is it something else?
>
>
>
>>Capt JT wrote:
>> >
>> > At 03:53 PM 12/26/99 -0500, kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>> > >JT, the biggie in your list is "nobody touches my valves but me". Also
>> > >in that one was the pressure guage check. If you breath the reg while
>> > >watching it, you will notice it waver if you are not turned all the way
>> > >on . This will alert you to a problem when you get to depth, which is
>> > >that the reg will not develop enough intermediate pressure to breathe,
>> > >and you will think you lost your gas since you just checked and it
>> > >worked on the way down . Actaully , the only real way to get tho that
>> > >screwup is to violate the "only I touch the valves " rule. The DM's tend
>> > >to like to turn them off and then back on a 1/4 turn, thinking they are
>> > >doing the opposite. The 1/4 turn thing is right up there with the word
>> > >"octopus" applied to a regulator.
>> >
>> > I have not had that happen to me yet, with the valve not being open 
>> all the
>> > way.You are dead right about the DM turning the valves the wrong way. Had
>> > one shut my isolator valve once and I caught him.You can bet your ass 
>> he'll
>> > never do that again.Also with the gauges, the deeper dives causes to much
>> > pressure on the cheap ones, I believe the face will press in and the 
>> needle
>> > will not move, had that happen to a diver on a deep dive last year.He
>> > noticed the pressure gauge had not gone down at all during the decent to
>> > 300ft.Have you guys had this problem, I am wondering as I saw you post 
>> that
>> > you did not ck your pressure once into the dive or did I miss read that.
>> >
>> > >Capt JT wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > As I read this, the memory of Tony Smith came to mind.Just when we 
>> began to
>> > > > think we are so good, the basics will kill us.The entry, decent 
>> ,ascent,
>> > > > are the parts of the dive that  will most likely kill you, the 
>> bottom part
>> > > > of the dive is really the safe part to me.Below is list of things 
>> I do.I am
>> > > > open for comments that can help, I am always willing  to listen.
>> > > >
>> > > > 1) DO NOT be in a hurry gearing up
>> > > > 2)once seated in full gear just set and relax a second
>> > > > 3) take a breath off of each reg do not keep it in your mouth if 
>> it is a
>> > > > hypoxic mix
>> > > > 4)Check pressure gauge, if lower than at start the valve is not open
>> > > > (I like to open my valves while seated and geared up, proves to 
>> myself that
>> > > > I can do it)
>> > > > NO ONE touches my valves but ME
>> > > > 5)Drink water and relax a second
>> > > > 6)check everything before you stand
>> > > > 7)If there is a current use a travel mix( when using a hypoxic mix)
>> > > > 8)if not a hypoxic mix use back gas, avoid using travel mix when 
>> possible,
>> > > > it will just give you something else you have to deal with and can 
>> do wrong
>> > > > 9)Put the reg. in your mouth just before you jump in
>> > > > 10) make it to the down line and stop -relax a second
>> > > > 11)look at the safety diver or buddy exchange OK
>> > > > 12) when you make it to the bottom pause for a moment and collect 
>> yourself
>> > > > , look at your surroundings and make assessments.
>> > > >
>> > > >   At 08:22 AM 12/26/99 -0500, kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>> > > > >Marcin, whatever the case, you have to be able to get to those 
>> valves,
>> > > > >or to get the tanks lose enough to get to them. This is not so 
>> much in
>> > > > >the case of a failure, but in the case where you fail to turn them on
>> > > > >and get into the water.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I got so distracted the other day that I almost jumped in the 
>> ocean with
>> > > > >my backup reg behind me, and my primary reg jammed under my 
>> waistbelt. I
>> > > > >would not have been able to get to any gas other than my "third reg"
>> > > > >which is my inflator hose. If the valves were off, and I never 
>> checked,
>> > > > >it might have been a real trick figuring that one out before my 
>> eardrums
>> > > > >broke.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I do not mind drowning, but I would have hated to screw up in 
>> front of
>> > > > >an audience. The only reason I even noticed that I had no regs is 
>> that I
>> > > > >sat on one of them and it went off.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >To top it off, none of the people on the boat even noticed any of 
>> this.
>> > > > >I would have had to drop down, flip my tanks off and put them back on
>> > > > >out of sight to save face, but my dive partner would have 
>> freaked, even
>> > > > >assuming that I did not try every other solution first and then 
>> not be
>> > > > >able to do it .
>> > > > >
>> > > > >It just reminded me of how close we can get to as screwup with 
>> the wrong
>> > > > >gear.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Work out that insulation and knob thing with the minimunm solution.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Marcin Piekarski wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Healthy critics is not the thing that can kill me but 
>> stupidity is the
>> > > > > > one. So thanks for straightening me up, on this. While writing 
>> to this
>> > > > > > group I knew that there might be flames and someone might say 
>> "no man,
>> > > > > > it's really stupid", and OK, if so. If something is stupid 
>> then I want
>> > > > > > to learn new better ways on doing it and stand with my head 
>> high while
>> > > > > > admitting that this stupidity comes from my lack of knowledge, 
>> for now.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > nforcer1 wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > (Note to Marcin: please don't take any of this as criticism of
>> > > > > you.  For all
>> > > > > > > any of us know, you might be in great shape, configured well 
>> and can
>> > > > > reach the
>> > > > > > > knobs with room to spare. Just asking the question makes you 
>> a great
>> > > > > candidate
>> > > > > > > for avoiding being the bad guy under Rules 1 and 2.  Follow 
>> steps
>> > > > > 1-4, above,
>> > > > > > > and it will all fall in place for you.)
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Jim
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > PAlexakos@ao*.co* wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/23/1999 6:30:24 PM Eastern Standard 
>> Time,
>> > > > > > > > nforcer1@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > << I'm not sure it matters, but I'll be glad to when I
have a
>> > > > > little more
>> > > > > > > > time.  I
>> > > > > > > >  didn't know a resume was required to state the obvious on 
>> a point
>> > > > > I think
>> > > > > > > > most
>> > > > > > > >  of us agree upon. >>
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Sure,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >     But when you are a tough guy, ready to suggest who is 
>> ready to
>> > > > > dive or
>> > > > > > > > not, we are all interested what your qualifications are.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Panos
>> > > > > > >
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  Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>

  NW Labor Systems, Inc
  http://www.nwls.com


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