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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:33:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "John R. Rose" <rose@CS*.SC*.ED*>
To: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
cc: dwiden@ho*.co*, kirvine@sa*.ne*,
     "'Marcin Piekarski'" ,
     "'nforcer1'" ,
     "'Techdiver'"
Subject: RE: Who is nforcer1??
The dry suit check entails a single hose connection for many of us.
1) Make sure your argon hose is connected
2) Make sure your everboard discharge hose is connected

#2 Never happens on WKPP dives. ;-)

In warm cave water it is easy enough to fix (1) however, if you test
the overboard discharge without being connected, the only good way to
recover is to change thinsulate and drysuit.

 
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Capt JT wrote:

> Although I consider the dry suit Ck as part of the gearing up process, it 
> needs to be mentioned.For me the connecting of the hose is most important, 
> it is very hard to connect the hose with 5m gloves on while in the water.I 
> have done it as my back up is the standard inflator hose on my BC, which 
> means my dry suit must have a standard hose connection.I also use an 
> independent inflation system for my dry suit.I do not believe in an extra 
> hose for a backup.I once saw a diver on one of my Doria trips jump off the 
> boat and a hose blew when he hit the water, he had so much crap on him he 
> could not find which one it was and shut the valve, his dive was over as he 
> lost his gas and came back on the boat.Think about that if it would have 
> happen on the bottom.What good is the extra hose if it is part of the problem.
> 
> Thanks David, just like on the boat your always watching.
> 
> 
>   At 05:24 PM 12/26/99 -0500, David B. Widen wrote:
> >JT
> >
> >One of the steps that we all do is the connecting and testing of the dry
> >suit inflation. After diving with you many times, I know you tend to do it
> >in there before step 5.
> >
> >David
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 12:10 PM
> > > To: kirvine@sa*.ne*; Marcin Piekarski
> > > Cc: nforcer1; Techdiver
> > > Subject: Re: Who is nforcer1??
> > >
> > >
> > > As I read this, the memory of Tony Smith came to mind.Just
> > > when we began to
> > > think we are so good, the basics will kill us.The entry,
> > > decent ,ascent,
> > > are the parts of the dive that  will most likely kill you,
> > > the bottom part
> > > of the dive is really the safe part to me.Below is list of
> > > things I do.I am
> > > open for comments that can help, I am always willing  to listen.
> > >
> > > 1) DO NOT be in a hurry gearing up
> > > 2)once seated in full gear just set and relax a second
> > > 3) take a breath off of each reg do not keep it in your mouth
> > > if it is a
> > > hypoxic mix
> > > 4)Check pressure gauge, if lower than at start the valve is not open
> > > (I like to open my valves while seated and geared up, proves
> > > to myself that
> > > I can do it)
> > > NO ONE touches my valves but ME
> > > 5)Drink water and relax a second
> > > 6)check everything before you stand
> > > 7)If there is a current use a travel mix( when using a hypoxic mix)
> > > 8)if not a hypoxic mix use back gas, avoid using travel mix
> > > when possible,
> > > it will just give you something else you have to deal with
> > > and can do wrong
> > > 9)Put the reg. in your mouth just before you jump in
> > > 10) make it to the down line and stop -relax a second
> > > 11)look at the safety diver or buddy exchange OK
> > > 12) when you make it to the bottom pause for a moment and
> > > collect yourself
> > > , look at your surroundings and make assessments.
> > >
> > >   At 08:22 AM 12/26/99 -0500, kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> > > >Marcin, whatever the case, you have to be able to get to
> > > those valves,
> > > >or to get the tanks lose enough to get to them. This is not
> > > so much in
> > > >the case of a failure, but in the case where you fail to turn them on
> > > >and get into the water.
> > > >
> > > >I got so distracted the other day that I almost jumped in
> > > the ocean with
> > > >my backup reg behind me, and my primary reg jammed under my
> > > waistbelt. I
> > > >would not have been able to get to any gas other than my "third reg"
> > > >which is my inflator hose. If the valves were off, and I
> > > never checked,
> > > >it might have been a real trick figuring that one out before
> > > my eardrums
> > > >broke.
> > > >
> > > >I do not mind drowning, but I would have hated to screw up
> > > in front of
> > > >an audience. The only reason I even noticed that I had no
> > > regs is that I
> > > >sat on one of them and it went off.
> > > >
> > > >To top it off, none of the people on the boat even noticed
> > > any of this.
> > > >I would have had to drop down, flip my tanks off and put them back on
> > > >out of sight to save face, but my dive partner would have
> > > freaked, even
> > > >assuming that I did not try every other solution first and
> > > then not be
> > > >able to do it .
> > > >
> > > >It just reminded me of how close we can get to as screwup
> > > with the wrong
> > > >gear.
> > > >
> > > >Work out that insulation and knob thing with the minimunm solution.
> > > >
> > > >Marcin Piekarski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Healthy critics is not the thing that can kill me but
> > > stupidity is the
> > > > > one. So thanks for straightening me up, on this. While
> > > writing to this
> > > > > group I knew that there might be flames and someone might
> > > say "no man,
> > > > > it's really stupid", and OK, if so. If something is
> > > stupid then I want
> > > > > to learn new better ways on doing it and stand with my
> > > head high while
> > > > > admitting that this stupidity comes from my lack of
> > > knowledge, for now.
> > > > >
> > > > > nforcer1 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > (Note to Marcin: please don't take any of this as criticism of
> > > > you.  For all
> > > > > > any of us know, you might be in great shape, configured
> > > well and can
> > > > reach the
> > > > > > knobs with room to spare. Just asking the question
> > > makes you a great
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > for avoiding being the bad guy under Rules 1 and 2.
> > > Follow steps
> > > > 1-4, above,
> > > > > > and it will all fall in place for you.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PAlexakos@ao*.co* wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 12/23/1999 6:30:24 PM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > > > > > nforcer1@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << I'm not sure it matters, but I'll be glad to when I have
a
> > > > little more
> > > > > > > time.  I
> > > > > > >  didn't know a resume was required to state the
> > > obvious on a point
> > > > I think
> > > > > > > most
> > > > > > >  of us agree upon. >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sure,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     But when you are a tough guy, ready to suggest
> > > who is ready to
> > > > dive or
> > > > > > > not, we are all interested what your qualifications are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Panos
> > > > > >
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