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Jack, "DIR" is not open for discussion except between me and JJ, or it is not "DIR". However, any aspects are open for discussion as just generic diving config discussion and I will be glad to provide the reasoning or show why the counter arguemnts are just made without the full slate of information. I just had to tell a friend yesterday when she aked me one of those kinds of questions that " she will find out why when she gets there" and sometimes, with those who do not have the broad experience, that will just have to do for now. I can discuss this stuff, but not, as you point out, at a rec.scuba level. I remember taking every phsics course they had in college , and every math course since I really had nothing to do for four years since I started as a Junior out of high school and had intended to play sports only , but got sidetracked badly. Basicly, what I leaned in the far reaches of phsyics and math was that all of my calculus and even the most advanced prep school physics was useless in real phsyics and math - as in absolutely nothing worth even knowing, but you can't get there from here, so to speak, without it. I can't deal with them until they get past the basics to the real world, and the real world works differently . You already appear to understand all of this perfectly, and the best bet is to have some of you do the talking, and let me just deal with the way out stuff. The tapes make the point about the real problems in risk management with manifolds and such - they are so damn real and so final that I can not tell you how important they are. Let me say this and I said it to my friend yersteday - the pressure guage is bullshit - it is a throwback to deep air diving - you do not need to see it every five seconds, and it sure need not get in the way of any other gear, is not an emergency piece of gear, is nothing but a pain in the ass and a risk of gas loss if you bend the hose too much, and has a lousy air spool scheme in it that breaks if you look at it too much due to the swivelling and bending under extreme pressure of that tiny spool with the tiny diameter o-rings and the fragile nature of the hose itself under that much pressure. Leave the damn thing alone and out of the way on a straight hose. Trust me on that one. I never look at mine - I know how much gas I have, unless a problem develops. The last time I dove wtih JJ I did not look at my guage until I was back at the truck, and then only to see if I had enough gas to dive again. Any air integtrateed, electonic, or other convoluted scheme for pressure is unacceptable - a rule number one flag. In the WKPP, you will notice that we almost never abort dives due to equipment failure . In fact the last time I had "equipment failure" involving a dive it was my radar detector. I solved that - in th jack wrote: > > Now,Im the mildest mannered guy you could meet, but some of the attitude Im > encountering leaves a lot to be desired. A friend of mine once told me, a > wise man is a man who seeks knowledge, not one who possesses it. > Here is a copy of a suggestion I thought I was sending to the list, it is > borne of the constant reference to rolling off the l/h/p in DIR 11 VIDEO. > >Hey guys and galsd, whatdo you think of this idea? > >SPG is mounted on d-ring left hand side, ok? > >What if it was mounted right hand side? > >No danger of it rolling off r.h.p. > >Heres how we could do it. > >Put a 2" bungie on r/h side of belt, leave loose, attach spg with bolt snap > >as normal. > >Now we have a constantly working, visible spg!!!!!!!! > This reply came from a list member whom I mailed instead of the list: > > You only sent those two messages to me...not the list. You seem to be > tying to do what so many others try to do and fail. The DIR system is > not up for personal preferences like you have just tried to make. You > can't mount it on the right side since the light and light cord are > going to be in the way. If you think there is a huge danger in rolling > your knobs when diving the regular way without any emergencies, then > you should rethink diving in an overhead environment. We are not > trying to figure out a way to make a PADI-approved retraction device. > The SPG clips to the left D-Ring and it is out of the way, out of the > stream, and exactly where you need to do a quick check. Why not > eliminate the SPG altogether by using a hoseless air integrated > computer? > > As you can see, although he tells me in no uncertain terms I should not > even think about altering the DIR configuration, he himself suggests > hoseless computer. Now here are some questions I would like answered if > possible: > 1.Who decides on kit configuration. > 2.Is DIR up for open discussion. > 3.According to the reply to my mail, I should reconsider overhead, I dont > dive overhead,I am wondering would he say the same to George Irvine, who > talks about l/h/p roll off at lenght on DIR 11 > 4.I put a question re pony bottle on the forum, and basically got slated > about risks of entanglement etc., yet on DIR 11 a pony mount can be clearly > seen mounted above the half way mark on a set of doubles in the cave. > 5.rule#1, if this is rule #1, why did ,last week I think, someone say they > used "stroke crap" to dive caves, Obviously it was a "stroke" boat. NOW > what I want to know is simple, is this a case of do as I say not as I do, > and I dont accept that bearing rule # 1 in mind ,any diving is better than > no diving. > I know Im going to be mr. popular after this:-) Jack. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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