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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:22:40 -0500 (EST)
From: William Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
To: "Kevin W. Juergensen" <kevin@el*.co*>
cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Rebreathers


> >Will Smithers has one made out of rolls of toilet paper and an innertube!
> >You'd probably die just as fast on that as folks are on the
> >Inspiration..._BUT_ think of the money you'd save!  Just whip up the old
> >Smithers special and save yourself and wife/widow/girlfriend some serious
> >cash!!
> >
> >Sean

Sean, I missed most of this thread, as I'm not currently subscribed
to this list, but somebody forwarded me your note, and I thought
it worth a public reply.

The TP2000 (and later TP3000 and TP2750 series) was not a joke.
Well, sortof it was, but you'd have to have lots of closed circuit
rebreather experience to really get it, and the series was proven on some
moderately extreme dives.

The thing about it was, it was a joke-within-a-joke-within-a-joke,
which, if you look at it with a rebreather designer's eye, wasn't
a joke at all - it was perfectly serious.  In fact, I would offer that
it will stand for the next hundred years as the ultimate elegantly
pragmatic, minimalist CCR solution.  THAT was the joke. 
I can't tell from your post, but it looks like you probably missed 
that, as I expect you would, not having any rebreather experience.

Regards,

-Will



> >
> >Standard Tech List Disclaimer:
> >The preceding was an attempt at humor, I cannot advocate the use of toilet
> >paper in a rebreather, nor the use of an innertube (or even a rebreather
> >since I have never dove one)...if you choose to do either (the innertube or
> >toilet paper) you are pretty damn stupid IMHO, but hey it's a free country,
> >suck on toilet paper all you want...
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> >To: Jeffrey Swann <swanncruz@ta*.ne*.au*>
> >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 2:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: Rebreathers
> >
> >
> >> I can't recommend the cis lunar as I have never used it. I do have the
> >> owners manual for it, and would make several changes if if were mine,
> >> but all I can say is that it appears to be about like all of them only a
> >> little better quality and more use under its belt. Most appear actually
> >> to be copies of the cis, and the cis appears to be a bad copy of the
> >> Navy's MK-19, which is not in production.
> >>
> >> If I were to buy an electronic rebreather, I would want a MK 16, but you
> >> can not buy those, and they cost over 60 K anyway.
> >>
> >> The rebreathers I have are mechanical, and I only use them for
> >> ridiculous cave dives. I am not going to tell you to get a rebreather to
> >> save on gas money, as no amount of gas money is equal to your life.
> >>
> >> You must also consider that when I dive a rebreather, I am diving with
> >> Jarrod Jablonski, my ten year dive partner and the best dive partner in
> >> the world. I would even dive a buddy desperation if he were with me,
> >> with bondage wings on air, but then that is not even funny, is it.
> >>
> >> Jeffrey Swann wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Yeah, I am aware of open circuit redundancy.
> >> > Of course that varies with the type of dive.
> >> > So is cis lunar your recomendation?
> >> > Obviously I have alot of research to do.
> >> > Jeff.
> >> > At 05:52 14/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >> > >If that is your goal, you might as well get the Cis Lunar. However,
> >> > >forget "redundency"? - you need o/c backup, and that makes them all a
> >> > >pain in the ass.
> >> > >
> >> > >Jeffrey Swann wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear List,
> >> > >> I have been reading with interest the inclusion of He in many mixes,
> >not
> >> > >> always for significant depth.
> >> > >> He over here (Darwin, Australia) is not that easy to come by, and is
> >quite
> >> > >> expensive.
> >> > >> I am toying with the long-term proposition of running a rebreather
> >which
> >> > >> will control pp O2  at all depth ranges.
> >> > >> I believe cis lunar will do this.
> >> > >> Could I please obtain some information on the state of play of
> >rebreathers,
> >> > >> on the "top end" of the market?
> >> > >> I realise redundancy is a consideration.
> >> > >> I am looking for a long term solution to use He in a wide range of
> >> > >> circumstances and depth ranges.
> >> > >> Without using a wastefull open circuit situation.
> >> > >> Thanks in advance.
> >> > >> Jeff.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >>
> >>
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