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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:33:57 -0500
To: HESSIANS@ao*.co*
CC: ToddTodd9@ao*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: ToddTodd9: A Real Class Act
Pete, here you have a case and point - I never read those posts because
I just assumed they were more of your whinning, and when it comes to the
rules, we either make them or get an exception, so rules and regulations
are a "mute" point for our organization(s).

Do not expect me to say anything to any of my members about their
demeanor on here when we have the likes of Bill Von Haene causing the
problems because they don't like me. You are lucky it is only the Todd
Brothers and the Cruise Missle ( Werner) on here and not some of the
real crazies.

Pete, when a guy like Von Haene, whose gut hangs down to his knees, gets
on here jerking us around about "breathing rates" claiming our "system"
dos not work ( like he has any clue what that is) for wreck diving when
there are groups eveywhere in the world who say otherswise in all
conditions, and 10 of our own divers just got back from doing what
nobody else has been able to do on the Britannic, and all Von Haene can
do is call me names and utter mindless quips and attacks on me, I would
suggest to you that the Todd Brothers are not the least bit out of line,
even the younger one. 

The real story is that none of you who so strongly disagree with me can
articulate anything that approaches sanity in the way of a cohernet
argument against anything that I am saying,  so it resorts to the
bullshit evey time out of the usual suspects - the strokes, like Von
Haene, who are nobodys from nowhere with nothing to offer and serve only
as powers of bad example to us all. That is who you are defending. 

The Todd Brothers actually walk the walk, they do not just talk the 
talk.

HESSIANS@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> OK George
> Who alerted TechDiver to the UNESCO Convention (have you ever bothered to
> read it or are you too busy with your triathalon training)?
> 
> Who alerted TechDiver to the proposed Ontario legislation that will require
> permits for diving any wreck and threatens imprisonment for picking up a beer
> can off the bottom of any Great Lake?
> 
> Who posted the inof on the proposed US Navy regulations governing diving on
> warships and sunken aircraft?
> 
> All of these posts came from me.
> 
> These are critical issues for all underwater explorers, tekkies or otherwise.
>  I believe that TechDiver is an important forum for the dissemination of news
> and opinion.  I try to use it to its full advantage.
> 
> George, you have an incredible wealth of information and advice to offer and
> I have learned a lot from you and your colleagues.  But some of the BS that
> accompanies these posts turns off a lot more people than it helps.  Guys like
> ToddTodd are only taking the "strokedom" type comments to another, more
> pernicious level.  His brother needs to keep him under lock and key.
> 
> So let's try to learn together instead of always striving for oneupsmanship.
> Peter Hess


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