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You don't get it asshole, I would never get in the water with you because you are nothing but a flaming liability, not to mention an accident waiting to happen. You dispense nothing but worthless dribble to this list and then can't understand why you are the laughing stock of anyone who knows anything about diving. You can't do the dives I do Von. You would have been dead a long time ago. Anybody I know can tell you this. You couldn't handle the preparation, the dive, nor the deco. You are out of your league, bigboy. Go find some place to quietly off yourself. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <bigvon@be*.ne*> To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Big Von is a trimix instructor? > I'll match you dive for dive anytime. Name the place and time, tough guy. > > Chris Werner wrote: > > > Mike, we have been telling people for years that these guys are the most > > pathetically trained instoketers out there. Not one of them could make it in > > land support of our organization. All of these agencies need to wake up and > > smell the lawsuits rising. The days of the quick buck are over. Just look at > > this big von prick, it is obvious that he has no idea what he doesn't know, > > which is worse than knowing what little he does. This is by far the worst > > type of instroketer. Stay away from these guys. > > > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Blitch <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*> > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Cc: <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:29 PM > > Subject: Re: Big Von is a trimix instructor? > > > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 19:07:34 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >It's no secret, I am a TDI instructor trainer. Anytime any of you guys > > want to > > > >make a dive let me know. You bring your setup and I'll bring mine. > > > >Von > > > > > > I just got this e-mail/newsletter from Steve Gerrard today that mentioned > > TDI. I > > > heard the TDI was the worst agency to learn anything from, but these > > examples > > > seem to prove the point beyond any doubt. > > > > > > ****************** > > > > > > TDI BOYCOTT > > > > > > Whoa! Boycott? That's the strong word I'm getting from many cave > > > Instructors, cave divers, dive stores and businesses here in the Riviera > > > Maya and in Florida! Apparently, more individuals have become TDI Cave > > > Instructors during the past year. This past week, Joe Odom was staying > > in > > > Akumal conducting a TDI Cavern & Cave Instructor IEC for a group of seven > > > candidates. What is making everyone upset is some of the individuals > > lack the > > > proper cave diving experience in general and everyone questions if these > > seven > > > candidates have ever assisted with cavern and cave courses to qualify > > attending > > > the IEC as established and agreed by all agencies offering cavern & cave > > > Instructor certifications. I am told that at the 1999 DEMA Trade Show in > > New > > > Orleans there was a meeting between the Training Directors and Chairmen of > > the > > > NACD, NSS-CDS, IANTD and TDI and that these four agencies would adhere to > > follow > > > minimum standards. Joe Odom promised he would follow these standards. > > > > > > An example is a fellow named Jose Barbi who lives in Cozumel. Jose told > > me > > > months ago he has assisted with the required minimum two cavern courses > > > with German Mendoza to qualify for the TDI IEC. German tells me Jose has > > > never assisted with any cavern courses. So what is going on? > > > > > > Personally, I'm still upset with the fiasco of 1998 when Joe appointed Al > > > Pertner a TDI Cave Instructor Trainer in February, 1998. The problem was > > > AL certified several individuals as TDI Cave Instructors and these people > > > had less than 50 logged cave dives and no or little experience assisted > > > with cavern and cave courses. Plus, they never went through the process > > of > > > teaching cavern courses, building experience, then becoming Introduction > > To > > > Cave Instructors, teaching a few of those types of courses and then > > > qualifying to attend a Full Cave TDI IEC. It got so bad they that TDI > > > revoked Al's Instructor Trainer certification. Everyone along the > > > Riviera Maya was calling it Easy Al's TDI Express machine. > > > > > > Here's an example: I certified Nicholai Toussaint and a full cave diver > > > during late October, 1997. The summer of 1998, Nicholai becomes a TDI > > Full > > > Cave Instructor and was one the evaluators for the TDI IEC > > > during December 2nd - 5th, 1999. > > > Another individual I certified as a full cave diver was Scott Bonis. > > Scott > > > is an engineer retired from the NASA Apollo Space program. He travels > > > around the United States and Mexico in his RV with his wife. > > > He spends every winter in Paalmu Beach campground until this year where he > > > bought a condo in Puerto Aventuras. He became a TDI Full Cave Instructor > > > the summer of 1998. How does anyone acquire the necessary experience in > > > underwater caves with that type of schedule? > > > > > > Matt Matthes wrote a message recently on the Internet caver's list voicing > > > his concern as he familiar with several of the candidates in the local TDI > > > IEC. Like I said, everyone is pissed and the word boycott is being > > stated > > > everywhere. German Mendoza is a TDI Cave Instructor (and NACD) and he > > > wrote a very strong letter to Brett Gilliam - President & Owner of TDI > > > voicing his concern with this problem. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't > > > think anyone is against these or any individuals in becoming cavern or > > cave > > > Instructors. It's just must be done correctly following the standards > > > established within the cavern and cave diving community. Does this make > > > sense? Enough said! > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math. > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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