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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:27:55 -0500
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
CC: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: what to do with your other hand when the main one is on the
     wood
Jim, I used to wear different fins with a wetsuit than with a drysuit
until Bill Gavin told me to "quit the stroke shit". If he had not been
all over me every time I deviated, I would probably have an IANTD "Deep
Air" sticker on the back of my car and would be diving with Bill Stone
and Jill Heinerth, wondering how JJ and the gang could to so much so
easily.

I used to lay the cord over my neck when surveying, but this is a
clusterfuck. I just clip the thing off on the right d -ring and point it
forward while still clipped when scootering between survey shots. 

The key is not letting that thing get in tha tpsoition when changing
bottles - this is when you and your buddy are at highest risk, and that
is when you need everything sqaured away.

The real culprits are the non-diving strokes who make lights - they send
them out with cords that look like long hoses, probably so the real
idiots out there can butt mount them. This leads to creative cord
routing amount the electricly chanllenged.

Actaully, shortening the cord is a breeze - loosen the compression
fitting ( being sure to hold the lower hub fixed with a wrench) cut the
cord, peel it back strip the ends and solder them back on the switch. 

You have done a great job of getting out information where there
previosly was none, and trying to clean up some seroiusly hardened
strokes in the wreck diving world. I am sure JT is a tough diver - he
has to be with the dumb stiuff he pulls and still lives through it.
Let's just hope he does not kill himself with his bullshit bottle
markings and then have the stroke claim is was our fault.



Jim Cobb wrote:
> 
> George-
> 
> I agree with all the DIR principles, you are either Doing It Right or you
> are not. I don't agree that you can modify DIR for personal preference. But
> at some point you are either a stroke, a DIR diver or you are somewhere in
> between. Hopefully heading in the right direction to a pure DIR kit,
> mindset, and physical conditioning. I think that DIR is the way to go and
> will support it against the MiG pilots and all the other bone-head
> blowhards.
> 
> As far as JT is concerned, he is not a DIR diver and neither am I. JT is a
> hard core diver, like him or not, and he has pulled off some nicely done
> very difficult dives and will continue to do so. I am working towards DIR
> and making progress, as is JT. Whether or not we will ever be up to your
> standards I don't know.
> 
> On the bottle markings, personally I agree the idea of a simple MOD number &
> name and nothing else, KISS appeals to me. But if the other guys want to put
> FT on their bottle, so be it, we are not DIR (and don't profess to be) but
> at least we have some sort of standardization and improvement in markings
> which is not taught by the agencies. I suspect that gradually the FT
> markings will wear off the tanks and not be replaced.
> 
> As for the light, I was just relaying my experiences with the damn light
> cord. I got the idea from you, you said that you drape the light around your
> neck when you need both hands free and a light on the subject, like taking
> down survey measurements.
> 
> For wreck diving this works great when you are blowing sand with your
> scooter, the light shines down perfectly on the area where you are moving
> sand. Other than that the light is on my hand for the rest of the dive. I do
> clip it off when messing with deco bottles but it goes around my neck when
> it's time to hit the ladder.
> 
> I have thought about removing gear in the water to avoid the strain at the
> boarding ladder (particularly when there's is a sea running) but then you
> have to hoist the gear out of the water anyway when you get on the boat, so
> you might as well take it up with you.
> 
> Keep kicking butt, George, on DIR. And don't hesitate to kick my butt too if
> you should spot me backsliding. I have not been diving lately due to some
> family problems and thus have not been posting much (don't want to be a
> armchair diver). I am not going to do any more tech dives this season for I
> have not been diving enough to keep my edge, which is dangerous.
> 
> I am, however, looking forward to next year.
> 
> Best Regards-
> 
>    Jim
> 
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> 
> > From: kirvine@sa*.ne*
> > Reply-To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
> > Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:01:21 -0500
> > To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > Cc: Tony Blanchette <TonyB@ta*.co*>, "'techdiver@aquanaut.com'"
> > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re: what to do with your other hand when the main one is on the
wood
> >
> > Jim, you make statements like " the only time it is clipped off is on
> > the boat" that make us all look like assholes.
> >
> > Try shortening the cord to the length is should be, and not coming up
> > with some convouted bullshit instead.
> >
> > By the time I get to the boat, the light is long ago stowed. I dive
> > whatever ladder or lack thereof is on the boat. This is not even close
> > to being an issue. In fact, I take my gear off before I get in the boat,
> > instead of climbing a ladder and foaming bubbles at the same time, if it
> > has been a deep deco dive.
> >
> > Please try to take th titme to find out wht we rally do before yoi speak
> > in our name. It is bad enough that this mutant JT has comepletely blown
> > the bottle marking issue, but for you to start with the personal
> > preference is a real disappointment. Like Ceasar said, "Et Tu ,
> > Strokus?"
> >
> > Pretty soon you will be flying MIGS.
> >
> > Jim Cobb wrote:
> >>
> >> George, if you have your light clipped off on your dring you will catch it
> >> on the rung of a fin ladder and rip the cord out of the light head. I know
> >> you Florida divers are still flopping yourselves up on "stern platforms"
> >> (usually consisting of a old screen door screwed to the transom with some
> >> old dog chain holding it up) like a gut-shot grouper, so I feel your pain.
> >> But you Florida weenies need to get with the program and put some actual
> >> ladders on your boats down there which can get you out of the water with a
> >> bit more grace and style.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html
> >>
> >>> From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> >>> Reply-To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
> >>> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:22:58 -0500
> >>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> >>> Cc: Tony Blanchette <TonyB@ta*.co*>, "'techdiver@aquanaut.com'"
> >>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: what to do with the light cord
> >>>
> >>> I always clip my light off when I am changing stages. If it is around my
> >>> neck nad somthing happens , like a clusterfuck starts. I do not want to
> >>> make it worse by haeing it in the way of my other two hoses ( stage and
> >>> long), or eating it in my scooter , or just getting it tangled.
> >>>
> >>> It is not a good idea to have anything around your neck that could
> >>> interfere with the rest of the gear.
> >>>
> >>> Jim, this is like the fucked up markings that you and that blithering
> >>> idiot "capt" JT came up with - you guys just think you know what you are
> >>> doing when in fact all you have done is peek in the window .
> >>>
> >>> I just thank God I do not have to dive with any of you know it alls. I
> >>> would thumb the dive and then beat you senseless when I got you on the
> >>> surface.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Cobb wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I did the same thing with my AUL. What you do is drape the light head
> >>>> around
> >>>> your neck before approaching the ladder. Generally the only time you clip
> >>>> the light head off to your dring is when your rig is on the boat rack,
> >>>> otherwise it is on your hand or draped around your neck.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Tony Blanchette <TonyB@ta*.co*>
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:14:28 -0500
> >>>>> To: "'techdiver@aquanaut.com'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>>>> Subject: what to do with the light cord
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm and open water diver and dive with NiteRiders Blackwater 3000 which
I
> >>>>> won at a scuba show.  The cord between the battery pack and the
lighthead
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> the proper length - just long enough for left handed operation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wear the battery on my right waist strap where the cannister would go.
> >>>>> I've attached a bolt snap to the light head with a piece of bicycle
> >>>>> innertube and clip off the lighthead to my right chest d-ring when the
> >>>>> light
> >>>>> is not in use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A couple weeks ago as i was getting back on the boat, the light cord
> >>>>> snagged
> >>>>> a rung of the ladder.  When i went to lift myself on the ladder, the
> >>>>> lighthead got a severe jerk.  The following week after diving i noticed
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> lighthead was flooded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The question is, "Is there already a standard way to configure the light
> >>>>> cord that prevents it from flapping in the waves?"  I must have missed
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> detail when studying the available literature.
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