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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:46:51 -0500
To: tomeasop@mi*.co*
CC: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Making Asses & Purging, Not Resuscitating.
Tom, you are just dying to find some fault with me , right? Look, I am
real sick of your crap. The doctors I forwarded all used their own names
except for one who does not need fifty pussies phoning up his hospital
because he is a friend of mine. I am not well liked in Florida, or
anywhere else for that matter.

One of the ones who did use their namse went so far as to use a MK15
G250 in the orperating room on an anethicized patient and accurately
records the results, you idiot - argue with that , Tom.

The fact is that unlke most of you I do not open my mouth if I do not
know what I am talking bout, and since this is s diving list, and I do
that pretty well, I am talking and can back it up, and in this case ,
one more time, I do, and you absolutely do not, as per the usual.

How are your bondage wings and hoses on the wrong posts doing , Tom.
Care to argue that with me some more? Care to tell me I do not know how
to wreck dive again? Want to discuss my attitude. How about my lack of a
spell checker? That is your only chance. I bet there are ten or fifteen
typos in this message alone. Go for it big guy, you have me in a corner
now.

Thomas A. Easop wrote:
> 
> Jess Armantrout wrote:
> 
> > This was a fake right?  Please somebody tell me it was a fake.
> >
> > What, exactly, in your opinion, would qualify as expertise or formal
> > training on the issue of in water resucitation in the ocean?  If
> George
> > promises to take the PADI rescue diver course, will that satisfy you?
> 
> No, the PADI anything really does not prepare you for anything
> technical.
> 
> > I guess being married to a head trauma nurse,
> 
> Is that the head 'trauma' nurse or the 'head trauma' nurse?
> 
> > being surrounded by doctors in
> > his work, social life and whom he trains with,
> 
> I am surrounded by investment bankers but my investment track record is
> no
> pearl.
> 
> > having leading diving
> > physicians from around the world calling to exchange information,
> having
> > read and practically memorized most of the best diving physiolgy
> texts,
> > having consulted with most of the big oil companies on diving
> protocals,
> 
> The subject is resuscitation, not diving, HUGE difference.
> 
> > being born and raised around the water,
> 
> That always helps in a resuscitation!!!
> 
> > diving for more years than most
> > anybody on this list, running the leading technical diving project in
> the
> > world with some of the top military diving doctors coming around to
> see how
> > he does things AND having access to Bill Mee,  doesn't count.
> 
> You hit the nail on the head. It doesn't.
> 
> As it is getting boring to say, the WKPP DIVING record is impressive.
> George is
> one of the leaders. Give him and them your ear when discussing diving.
> They have
> the 'track record'. Do not listen to G about resuscitation. He has no
> track
> record here. As he stated, he did very good once when obviously it was
> needed.
> Better to do what he did than nothing. But what he did should not be the
> way to
> plan for. Listen to a doc or better yet a medic regarding resuscitation.
> They
> have track records. Purging with 02 is unsafe. One anonymous MD who
> George
> quotes doesn't make it safe.
> 
> We all emphasize better, safer diving by thinking it all through,
> educating,
> training and evaluating. Why not plan for resuscitations the same way.
> Why not
> do it right? Think it through?
> 
> Maybe some of the members of our various dive parties and teams should
> become
> EMT's. Or get a medic or an EMT to be in your dive organization. We all
> accept
> that support divers, not the most glorious position on the exped, are
> needed to
> obtain a certain safety level. Why not add medics, etc.
> 
> Come to think of it, with all the MD's, medics, nurses etc. in the WKPP,
> they
> are already doing this. Why should we be told to settle for less? They
> are not just
> inflating a stricken diver with 02 from a deco bottle. And they did not
> get all
> their resuscitation training and ideas from someone on the internet.
> 
> Do yourselves a favor, get some real training, make friends with some
> medics and
> docs and get them out there with you, and keep discussing the issues. Do
> not
> leave it to what G says he did once, even if it did work.
> 
> --
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> 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks
> http://www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk/
> 
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