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Jess, the difference is that you really do the dives and really know, "von", who is too much of a pussy to use his real name, does not. The other thing that a stroke like "von" fails to get ( and again it is a function of his not really being a player ) is that when you go out on a boat offshore and are attempting a 350 foot dive, you had better be prepared for the thermals to be anywhere deep, and dress accordingly. Jess Armantrout wrote: > > Von, > you're grasping, buddy. I taught a trimix course in Cayman, several years > ago, back when nitrox wasn't even legal there. We did 300's for 25 to 30 > all week long. Ironically, my student was the safety officer for the CIWA, > the organization banning Nitrox in Cayman. Since neither of us were hooves, > we dove twin 80's and 40's for deco gas. We were swimming. We were diving > wet. I dove a Halcyon 18 pound set of wings and no weight. > > WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!????!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*> > To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > Cc: gordonjr <jrgordonsenior@em*.ms*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: its about going deep george > > >Obviously George you have never made a deep dive in the summer in the > Caribbean > >or you would understand. > >You still have not posted your tank/gas configuration diving wet w/out > scooter at > >300 much less 350, for 25 to 30 min.. > >What are you so afraid of? > >That there is an instant when DIR might not be exactly as the great George > >Grapevine dictates? > >DIR does work in most instances. However there might, just might be an > >alternative that is safer for the longer exposures at depth. i.e. redundant > bc' > >for gas availability. > >By the way, studies have shown that one long exposure may be safer than two > >shorter ones. > >Von > >kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > >> Bill, you are not only dangerous ,you are an outright liar. There is no > >> ocean on this planet where the water at "350" is warm. The Britannic is > >> cold as would be expected at depth and warm at the surface as would be > >> expected in the Mediteranean. Your original argument was that the Gulf > >> is warm at the surface. The fact is you have no justification for > >> dangerous stupidity. > >> > >> An unbalanced rig is open ocean the trademeark of a no-plan dillatante. > >> This is so simple, and you do not get it. Convoluted stupidity to offset > >> self-inflicted risk is not the answer. > >> > >> I will keep offsetting your nonsense and pointing out how wrong you are. > >> The difference betwen you and the guys who did the Britannic is the > >> diffrence between the real thing and bullshit. Jarrod is the real thing, > >> you are a yapping pretender. > >> > >> Your other argument is that we do not "know wreck diving". Well, Big > >> Time, that is obviously not the case, and the fact is that it makes no > >> difference where the dive is, our methods are used by the successful > >> divers, the bullshit is what the bullshitters use. You are in the latter > >> category. > >> > >> bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > >> > > >> > Like I said before George you are a master of misdirection. The > discussion > >> > was about deep warm water diving with steels without the use of a > scooter.. > >> > Not cold Britannic water with drysuits and scooters. > >> > You still did not answer the question tough guy and I doubt you ever > will. > >> > Von > >> > > >> > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > >> > > >> > > Von, why don't you stop by GUE and straighten Jarrod out. I tried to > >> > > tell him that diving the Britannic in a drysuit was not the Von > method, > >> > > and that since he was beyond 300, he should have had steels and a > >> > > wetsuit, a backwards bc, two bottom timers in case his arm got bit > off > >> > > by a shark, etc. > >> > > > >> > > Maybe you can come to a WKPP dive and tell me how to do more than a > >> > > "bounce" dive, since I have very little experience with the kind of > big > >> > > bottom times you are doing, and show me about "exploring" and what I > >> > > need to do in the way of "modifications " to accomplish these feats, > >> > > short of the lobotomy is appears you forgot to tell us about. > >> > > > >> > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > I did laugh at THAT one. > >> > > > I realize I am on the "DIR list", not techdiver. I will continue to > >> > > > dive my way and you guys can stay above 300 and dive your way. No > one > >> > > > has addressed the deep issue. I am not advocating deep diving, just > >> > > > commenting on a style that is safe. You WKPP guys keep bouncing the > >> > > > wrecks and we will keep exploring them. > >> > > > Von > >> > > > > >> > > > gordonjr wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Von, You place your backup wing on upside down, strap the > >> > > > inflator to your waist strap, and orally inflate at waist > >> > > > level?Hell, if I could do that I'd never leave the house > >> > > > (credits to G.Carlin). JR Gordon "Just flip the BC over > >> > > > and place it over the bolts as you do your primary B.C. > >> > > > I loop a small loop of small bungie over the bottom bolt > >> > > > before I assemble the > >> > > > harness. This loop is placed over the power inflator > >> > > > mechanism to secure it at > >> > > > your right waist. There is no hose run to the inflator. Just > >> > > > orally inflate if > >> > > > needed." > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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