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Just a thought for what it's worth ... People who are really unconscious are very pliable ... People who are pretending to be unconscious usually aren't ... And dead people are really stiff ... Give me a simple one-piece harness to deal with any day ... All the Best ... Marty H Canada -----End This Message----- -----Original Message----- From: Karen Nakamura [mailto:karen@gp*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:42 PM To: kirvine@sa*.ne* Cc: 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' Subject: Re: DIR on RIB's George - With all due respect, I wonder if we can't continue this conversation a bit further. One aspect where open water diving differs from cave diving is the possibility of surfacing with an unconscious buddy far away from the boat or land. In the LGS rescue course I took, we learned how to quickly strip the unconscious diver of his/her gear and tow them in the do-si-do position back to safety (while possibly applying rescue breathing). In a cave and/or underwater, yes you can flip the BC over the unconscious diver's head, but in open water, the best option is to get them to the surface as quickly as possible in order to ascertain ABCs and proceed to rescue breathing if necessary. It's extremely difficult to strip a BC off an unconscious diver if they don't have quick-releases and/or they're wearing a dry suit. The standard method (without quick-releases) is to "chicken wing" their hands through the shoulder harness opening, but if they have dry glove cuffs on, this could be problematic. Could you give me examples where a quick release was more harm than help? I haven't heard of a quick release failing in the field, but you undoubtedly have more experience and would appreciate you sharing that with us. Karen Nakamura ps. nonabusive replies are always appreciated, as well. > Flip it off over your head forward - same for doubles, same for > anything, same for a regular BC, etc. Believe it or not, the basics > still work in diving when the word "tech" is used, and in fact, are what > keep you alive. > > A "quick release" on a harness is ridiculous. Not only is it a risk > while diving, it impedes correct placement of the rest of the gear. We > do not allow them on any dive gear used in any WKPP dives, if that tells > you anything. > > Any unnecesary convolution or accommodation to one percieved problem > while not considering the whole picture is an automatic reject. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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