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Karen, If you've gone into rescue mode the gear no longer has value. cut the straps with a knife, preferably the wounded guy's knife so you dont have to worry about re sheathing, you can ditch that too. If he/she lives, you can buy them new webbing. And please none of that "well what about keeping the gear around for the investigation" you can always find it later, and rescue is about rescue, not ass covering. - bottom line is its all disposable. When you get the wounded to shore/boat to perform your inital assesment, you will be cutting off the exposure suit as well, if they are incapable of removing it. This is standard protocol, Airway Breathing Circulation Disabilities Expose, where e stands for expose meaning strip your pt and physically inspect them for signs of injury or illness, then vitals, then CUPS and prep for transport or secondary survey. At this point your better off using the surgical shears, unless all you have is a knife. DIR is superior in this aspect as well, you have less to cut < one shoulder,waist belt,crotch strap, reg neck strap, dry suit hose> and you can expect what youll need to cut, and wont find any surprises and cutting will go very quickly if you have the right material and not too much of it. As far as whether or not the diver is "really" in trouble enuff to require needing the harness cut, i give all my dive buddies permission to do what they feel they need to do to keep me alive, as long as they accomplish that goal, even if it makes me bitchy. Bitchy and alive means i get to buy more crap. I can always get another dive partner and another harness. regards, Al Marvelli Karen Nakamura wrote: > George - > > With all due respect, I wonder if we can't continue this conversation a bit > further. > > One aspect where open water diving differs from cave diving is the > possibility of surfacing with an unconscious buddy far away from the boat or > land. In the LGS rescue course I took, we learned how to quickly strip the > unconscious diver of his/her gear and tow them in the do-si-do position back > to safety (while possibly applying rescue breathing). > > In a cave and/or underwater, yes you can flip the BC over the unconscious > diver's head, but in open water, the best option is to get them to the > surface as quickly as possible in order to ascertain ABCs and proceed to > rescue breathing if necessary. > > It's extremely difficult to strip a BC off an unconscious diver if they > don't have quick-releases and/or they're wearing a dry suit. The standard > method (without quick-releases) is to "chicken wing" their hands through the > shoulder harness opening, but if they have dry glove cuffs on, this could be > problematic. > > Could you give me examples where a quick release was more harm than help? I > haven't heard of a quick release failing in the field, but you undoubtedly > have more experience and would appreciate you sharing that with us. > > Karen Nakamura > > ps. nonabusive replies are always appreciated, as well. > > > Flip it off over your head forward - same for doubles, same for > > anything, same for a regular BC, etc. Believe it or not, the basics > > still work in diving when the word "tech" is used, and in fact, are what > > keep you alive. > > > > A "quick release" on a harness is ridiculous. Not only is it a risk > > while diving, it impedes correct placement of the rest of the gear. We > > do not allow them on any dive gear used in any WKPP dives, if that tells > > you anything. > > > > Any unnecesary convolution or accommodation to one percieved problem > > while not considering the whole picture is an automatic reject. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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