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From: "Scott and/or Julie Gudmundsen" <gudmund@si*.co*>
To: "Techdiver Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Icy water diving and SPG placement.
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:32:00 -0700
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In regards to clipping the SPG to the left hip D-ring... I often dive =
with three finger mitts up here in northeastern Utah and I also find it =
difficult to manipulate the spring-bolts. I found that facing them with =
the spring-bolt "tear-drop" down makes them easier to work with the =
thumb.  I've also found that it's unnecessary to clip my SPG into my =
left hip D-ring when I have a stage bottle, since the high pressure hose =
drops straight down into the V formed by the presence of my lower stage =
spring-bolt. My aluminum eighties (filled to around 2000 psi) are just =
buoyant enough in the base to rise a bit creating that V slot. I just =
reach back, grab onto the SPG, look at it, then return it to the slot =
that it rests in...  Maybe this will work for you...=20

Scott Gudmundsen
Vernal, Utah
______________________________________________________
This message was intended to be a private one but it looks like I might =
not
be the only one with these questions:

Dear Ingemar,

   I'd like to get your opinion on a few things since Sweden and Canada =
are
so close climate wise. We mostly do open water deco diving in what I'd =
call
"icy water" with some penetration into wrecks. I don't like the "cold =
water"
term since lot of people think that cold means 10C. What we (and I bet =
you
guys too) dive is, most of the time, closer to 4C year-round.

  Me and my buddies have been following the developments of the DIR =
system
for the past 3 to 4 years. We are all converging toward the same gear =
config
but are finding that some very minor aspects of the system seem to need =
some
tuning.  I'd like to know your opinion on these mods and whether there =
are
better ways of doing things that we are not seeing. If you have any =
other
suggestions I'd really like to hear about them too.

1) We find that holding something for a long time freezes our fingers.
  a) Reels: I find that all of the reels out there force you to hold =
them. I
even bought an EE cold water one and I'm still not satisfied. What I =
think
would be the optimum would be a reel with a Goodman handle. This would =
allow
for a natural hand position and would eliminate the need of gripping a
handle. What are you using?
  b) Bolt snaps: We have switched to the largest bolt snaps that we =
found
(4.5" long) It helps a lot. We are still looking for snaps that are even
easier to operate i.e. with a locking mechanism that is easier to grip. =
Any
suggestions?
c) Dry gloves: I'm curious to know what system you guys use. Most of our
guys use the Viking cuffs and gloves.

2) The hip placement of the SPG makes it very difficult to read. Some of =
us
have resorted to clipping it to the left chest D-ring. Is it our choice =
of
mask that do not give us a large enough field of view? We are diving TLS
suits and, in my case, a DUI 400 gr. underwear.

It looks like we are not alone with this question (as posted on the
techdiver list while I was writing this very message):

>LIST, when diving cave-just got my full-cave- i dive DIR with the SPG
clipped
>off on the left waist strap D-ring, and view it by unclipping and
reclipping
> which works fine. deco bottles are generally not a problem because =
they are
 >left at the cave entrance or close to it. but I noticed when one is =
doing
a
>deep wreck and carries a deco bottle on the left side with  the light
>canister on the right side, it is almost impossible to unclip and view =
the
> SPG for the back gas. this could pose a problem. Any good solutions =
for
>managing a deco bottle and pressure gauge on the same side? should it =
go
>across the chest ?   thanks in advance......Joe boone

 Anything you guys are doing that you think that we could benefit from
knowing?

Thanks for your time.

---
Roger Lacasse,
Update Group, Dept 21, CAE Electronics Ltd.
(514) 341-2000 x3659, lacasse@ca*.ca*.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><FONT size=3D3>In regards to clipping
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the SPG to the=20
left hip D-ring... I often dive with three finger mitts up here in =
northeastern=20
Utah and I also find it difficult to manipulate the spring-bolts.=20
I found that facing them with the spring-bolt "tear-drop" down =
makes=20
them easier to work with the thumb.  I've also found that it's =
unnecessary to=20
clip my SPG into my left hip D-ring when I have a stage bottle, since =
the high=20
pressure hose drops straight down into the V formed by the presence of =
my lower=20
stage spring-bolt. My aluminum eighties (filled to around 2000 psi) are =
just=20
buoyant enough in the base to rise a bit creating that V slot. I just =
reach=20
back, grab onto the SPG, look at it, then return it to the slot that it =
rests=20
in...  Maybe this will work for you... </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Scott Gudmundsen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Vernal, Utah</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><FONT=20
size=3D3>______________________________________________________</FONT><BR=
>This=20
message was intended to be a private one but it looks like I might =
not<BR>be the=20
only one with these questions:<BR><BR>Dear
Ingemar,<BR><BR>   =
I'd like=20
to get your opinion on a few things since Sweden and Canada are<BR>so =
close=20
climate wise. We mostly do open water deco diving in what I'd =
call<BR>"icy=20
water" with some penetration into wrecks. I don't like the "cold =
water"<BR>term=20
since lot of people think that cold means 10C. What we (and I bet =
you<BR>guys=20
too) dive is, most of the time, closer to 4C year-round.<BR><BR>  =
Me and my=20
buddies have been following the developments of the DIR system<BR>for =
the past 3=20
to 4 years. We are all converging toward the same gear config<BR>but are =
finding=20
that some very minor aspects of the system seem to need =
some<BR>tuning. =20
I'd like to know your opinion on these mods and whether there =
are<BR>better ways=20
of doing things that we are not seeing. If you have any =
other<BR>suggestions I'd=20
really like to hear about them too.<BR><BR>1) We find that holding =
something for=20
a long time freezes our fingers.<BR>  a) Reels: I find that all of =
the=20
reels out there force you to hold them. I<BR>even bought an EE cold =
water one=20
and I'm still not satisfied. What I think<BR>would be the optimum would =
be a=20
reel with a Goodman handle. This would allow<BR>for a natural hand =
position and=20
would eliminate the need of gripping a<BR>handle. What are you =
using?<BR> =20
b) Bolt snaps: We have switched to the largest bolt snaps that we =
found<BR>(4.5"=20
long) It helps a lot. We are still looking for snaps that are =
even<BR>easier to=20
operate i.e. with a locking mechanism that is easier to grip.=20
Any<BR>suggestions?<BR>c) Dry gloves: I'm curious to know what system =
you guys=20
use. Most of our<BR>guys use the Viking cuffs and gloves.<BR><BR>2)
The =
hip=20
placement of the SPG makes it very difficult to read. Some of us<BR>have =

resorted to clipping it to the left chest D-ring. Is it our choice =
of<BR>mask=20
that do not give us a large enough field of view? We are diving =
TLS<BR>suits=20
and, in my case, a DUI 400 gr. underwear.<BR><BR>It looks like we are =
not alone=20
with this question (as posted on the<BR>techdiver list while I was =
writing this=20
very message):<BR><BR>>LIST, when diving cave-just got my full-cave- =
i dive=20
DIR with the SPG<BR>clipped<BR>>off on the left waist strap D-ring, =
and view=20
it by unclipping and<BR>reclipping<BR>> which works fine. deco =
bottles are=20
generally not a problem because they are<BR> >left at the cave =
entrance=20
or close to it. but I noticed when one is doing<BR>a<BR>>deep wreck =
and=20
carries a deco bottle on the left side with  the =
light<BR>>canister on=20
the right side, it is almost impossible to unclip and view the<BR>> =
SPG for=20
the back gas. this could pose a problem. Any good solutions =
for<BR>>managing=20
a deco bottle and pressure gauge on the same side? should it =
go<BR>>across=20
the chest ?   thanks in advance......Joe =
boone<BR><BR> Anything=20
you guys are doing that you think that we could benefit=20
from<BR>knowing?<BR><BR>Thanks for your
time.<BR><BR>---<BR>Roger=20
Lacasse,<BR>Update Group, Dept 21, CAE Electronics Ltd.<BR>(514) =
341-2000 x3659,=20
<A
href=3D"mailto:lacasse@ca*.ca*">lacasse@cae.ca</A>.<BR><BR>--<BR>Sen
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