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Dave, the problem with you and all of the other "inventors" of diving is that you can not make sense of any of it ( you once again prove this with your drivel about "poneys" below - you do not get the basics at all), and have no business dicussing it. The more you talk the more baloney comes out, the more inconsitency, the more obvious lies, the more self-aggarandizing bragadocia, and the more you look like a typical dive boat windbag. You are over your head, no matter how long you have been that way. Guys like you are why we have people wasting their time, money , and lives. You say things that are too sutpid to contemplate, you make no sense, you are a backtracking , backpeddling blowhard, and you are a bad example of what is wrong out there - baloney with a complex and a big mouth. Your boy Mount , like you , appears to learn nothing from the past, as evidenced by the fact that he was on hand for the attempt to recover Frank Martz' body in 1971 ( steel with a wetsuit, deep air, diving with a stroke ) and yet today, twenty eight years later, he TEACHES steel with a wetsuit, REQUIRES steel tanks for trimix clases , TEACHES deep air, and otherwise tolerates strokes and stroke techniques that make no sense, in my opinion, and I can explain and justify my opinion of how things should be done and why clearly and have it make perfect sense to anyone. You can not and have not. If I want ot argue with Mount, I will, and it serves no purpose and certainly does Tom no good to have a buffoon like you who has zero clue and is an obvious joke jumping in to defend him. This is an unfair advantage for me, and not my intention in arguing with Tom. It distracts for the subject of the argument, and makes Tom look bad for reasons that have nothign to do with Tom, but with you. Now I feel like defending Tom from the fact that an asshole like you wants to defend him. Nobody deserves that stigma. "Poneys" are too stupid to recommend on a modern "tech" list, as is every other thing that has come out of your corner. You obvoiusly can not learn,can not take direction form a superior set of logic and results, can not get past your petty resentments of diving passing you by, and you have long since used up your value as a power of bad example. Now you are just plain worthless on here, a hypocrite of the lowest order, a blowhard, and the picture perfect portrait of a stroke from A to Z, painted by your own hand. You thought the nonsese you do in your vacuum of ignorance was some great feat, and you got laughed right off the board on here when you came running out with it. At leaast you could spell the word "pony" correctly, as long as you are recommending this stupidity, and get a real "filter" so you do not have to respond to my posts. You are not going to outargue me, because you lost on day one in every way, and then there is that litle matter of not knowing what you are talking about. You are not getting out of this one. I say you are a complete idiot when it comes to diving, and will pull your posts to prove it like the Swedes have done every time you open your mouth. You need to shut up, take a seat, and then follow the best advice I can give you, "Take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth" Dave Sutton wrote: > > Capt. Steve wrote: > > > An 80 and > >a pony is a nice simple set up for around here .It is a "REAL WORLD > SOLUTION" > >for what actually go's on instead of a utopian vision of proper air > >monotoring , perfectly maintained equipment and attentive and skilled > buddy. > >If you think about it its really just dissimilar sized tanks as doubles. > **** > > What is the difference between theory and reality: > Well, in -theory- they are the same, > but in -reality- they are different. > > In -theory- all divers are properly trained, properly > motivated, and have unlimited funds to purchase > equipment that allows some minor improvement > at the cost of cash. In reality, divers come in many > different varieties of ability, and end mission > requirements. For -many- a poney is properly > safe and efficient. For others, it is not. So what's > the big deal with agreeing that -one- technique is > not suitable for -all- divers? > > >*** Shot line diving is not a new technique , Steve Bielenda can tell you > >storys about how they wreck dove like this in the fiftys . This is where > >the dive boat stays "free" and " live" and the divers jump off and swim > down > >to the wreck with only a guide line and no rope to pull your self down. > Its > >a challanging type of diving you must have good boyancy control and > swimming > >ability or you can hurt your ears on the way down . This is the kind of > thing > >the mate has to do every time they "set the hook" . > > You must mean the -boat monkey- who is held in such > contempt by so many. Shot-line is the way we dive all > of the new hits on the sounder, just throw a bleach bottle > with a sash weight on the hit and the diver goes. Lots > of fun. Efficient too. But not when you are jumping a group > and especially not when you are repet diving the same wreck. > > >***Last winter when i went to Florida , George and Bill and I went > lobster > >hunting with scooters. Robert kindly dumped a set of his mix doubles and > >refilled them with nitrox and loned me his scooter . We three got dropped > >off at a reef in around 100 feet of water and scootered down to it , Bill > >had a reel and a free diving surface float ( looks like those bay watch > >orange things ) he towed that so the dive boat could find us . > > Yup. The Riffe float tows best (IMO), and the Sporasub one > second best (it's a bit light on construction, though). > > >Can you also tell Sutton ( he has a filter on my messages so can not see > > them), that Dr. Benjamin came up with the dual outlet manifold in 1969. > > We all called them "Benjamin Manifolds" as we were making them > up using fittings tapped into the blowout disc ports and SS tubing > run between AN fittings. And we learned about them from taking > the time to read Tom Mount's (1970's???) book 'Safe Cave Diving" and > especially his chapters on gear mods. I think this was one of the first > times > that cave techniques were brought to NE wrecking, and it's run ever since. > This is one of the reasons I got so down on GI's ragging Tom, who > was instrumental in the evolution of these techniques long before > most of the critics were even diving. So many of the thinking Jersey > divers knew what a 'Benjamin Manifold' was even if they had never > heard of cave diving. If I might make a small claim, I brought Tom's > book home from college in Florida and made up a manifold which > was the first one seen on GH's boat, and which was copied by about > 5 or 6 other guys. I abandoned my 24 cube pony in about 1975 and > was reviled by my peers for diving an -unsafe- dual outlet manifold. > > The more things change...... > > OK diving this weekend, not wasted on SCUBA, but it's almost > the end of Striped Bass spearfishing here and it's good. Hold > yer breath, guys. (and winter digging season is just around the > corner). The best time of the year is just beginning. > > Dave Sutton > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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