George, the thing that struck me is that Dave is supposed to be the gallant
warrior sent to the rescue of the poor, down-trodden, silent masses who are
sitting quivering and shaking in the darkness, too fearful to hit the
"reply" button on their email programs and defend their systems or they will
incur the Wrath Of George.

What a bunch of liberal-assed. pussy, pansey-butted, panty-waisted,
sissyfied baby-like boo-hooing losers.

None of the people I tech dive with are like this, all the people I tech
dive with will tell me to go fuck myself in a heartbeat, and I would not
have it any other way. At least the topics are discussed and logic
challenged.

Where do all these sissified "lurkers" dive out of anyway? The Big Pink
Pontoon Boat in a pond-scum coated Canadian quarry?

The usual defense for the old system is that "it has worked for me for
_fill_in_the_blank_ years and _fill_in_the_blank_  dives and *I* haven't
died yet! Well, you tell me one accident analysis which studies the folks
who did *not* die. You need to look at the folks who *died* and take a look
at their gear configs and training. That is where the old fucked up gear
configs are draped over the bodies like blood splatters at a crime scene.

So you poor, cowed, quaking-in-your-fins lurkers out there, lets start
hearing some logical, defensible reasons for bondage wings, ponys,
cock-rings other than "it hasn't killed me yet".

   Jim

> From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Reply-To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:44:02 -0400
> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> Cc: Dave Sutton <dsutton@re*.or*>, Tech Diver
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: Re: Portrait of a loonie, WAS: Madison Blue
> 
> Jim, this guy is obsessed with me. I love arguing with somebody this
> stupid, because they not only lose every battle, they bring up the worst
> idiocy that I would never think of and give us all a chance to maybe
> stop some of the really dangerous crap before it kills anyone, and it
> gives hope to the new diver who is sick of getting on a dive boat and
> having some pot-bellied blowhard like Suttton in their face with tales
> of migs, pissing dogs, blowing celebrities, and inventing diving. The
> more he talks on here, the more he is exposed as bullshit.
> 
> I maintain that this guy is the Posterboy for what we all  hate in
> diving. I have found a permantent pinyada in Dave.
> 
> You know I believe that the only guy who really gets "filtered" out on
> here is Anthony Appleyard. I just can't get through one of his, and
> there is a guy on cavers like that who I just can't make myself read.
> Neither is doing anything obnoxious, it is just unreadable.
> 
> Dave reads every last word I write and he and his NE stroke buddies are
> more concerned iwht me than with anything else in diving. They hate to
> see the influence spreading, and the more I hear that, the harder I try
> to get the word out, because that means there is a need.
> 
> These guys have no idea what they are up against. Look at the deep air
> thing, and how they howled about me over that. Do they realize that the
> standards have all been changed, even TDI? Hello, Dave, did you get this
> far, now you can stop reading - you lose.
> 
> Jim Cobb wrote:
>> 
>> Dave-
>> 
>> I notice that once again your "George filter" has failed to work. If you
>> want I can give you some pointers on how to effectively set one up so you
>> never have to get a post from George again. You really seem to have a
>> personal chip on your shoulder with George. Other than bad manners on this
>> list, what exactly is driving this vitriol from you? What's the real story?
>> You aren't one of Gilliams shills are you?
>> 
>> Also with all your NE diving you seem to be strangely lacking in some basic
>> knowledge on how many NE diver do their dives. For example you keep saying
>> something about divers handing stuff up the ladder in rough seas. Nobody I
>> know does this. You use a gear line, this is a weighted line you have
>> hanging off the side of the boat to which you can do your deco or hang spare
>> bottles off of. Then haul them up once you are aboard. And if you are doing
>> a long deco dives your support divers can take your deco bottles off of you
>> while they stand by ready to help if you have problems.
>> 
>> And this "sidemount" stuff. Sidemounting is a cave thing, I have no idea how
>> it applies to wreckdiving. I suppose you are talking about clipping off your
>> stages to your shoulder and/or waist Drings. Surely you are not talking
>> about attaching pony's to the sides of your your main doubles, that dumb
>> bullshit went out with Cousteau when he realized what a mistake it was 30
>> years ago. Whoops, forgot about those limey Lusitania screwballs. Well, the
>> lunatic fringe does not count.
>> 
>> And as far as the rest of this post of yours is concerned, you might want to
>> try leading by example. Your main purpose stated in your grand entrance to
>> Techdiver was to bring some sort of humanity (or something) to this list.
>> This post seems a rather large step backwards into the typical anarchy which
>> we so much enjoy.
>> 
>> Unless, that is, you are trolling. Then I have no problem with this string
>> of debasements and insults at all, you may act as big an ahole as you wish.
>> After all, that's how you play the game.
>> 
>> Jim
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html
>> 
>>> From: "Dave Sutton" <pilots@na*.ne*>
>>> Reply-To: "Dave Sutton" <dsutton@re*.or*>
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:41:11 -0400
>>> To: "William Smithers" <will@tr*.co*>
>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Portrait of a loonie, WAS: Madison Blue
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Interesting psychology here:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Denis, Smithers is a new "cave diver", as you can see by his comments.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Notice how Georgie the Insecure must first attempt to
>>> establish his 'superiority' over the others posting before
>>> he goes on to self-aggrandize. Who gives a shit about
>>> the experience level of anyone who simply put forth a
>>> simple news item for our edification? Georges typical style:
>>> First, spout how 'nobody knows what I know". That specious
>>> statement made, on with the normal rant. I'd like to see
>>> him -just once- start out without attacking the person who
>>> preceded him in debate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> "experienced New York cave diver" is an oxymoron. Cave diving, like
>>>> flying a helcopter, is extremly dangerous unless you do it all the time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here we have another clue to his manifest insanity. It's somehow
>>> OK for him to be an experienced NE Wreck diver and produce
>>> all sorts of drivel regarding the techniques that are used by guys
>>> doing it every day, yet when the locales are exchanged, suddenly
>>> it's impossible for a northern resident to be acceptably skilled in
>>> a Florida based sport. So, Georgie, which is it? You don't wreck dive
>>> all the time, so are you unsafe at it? Or are you -special-?  Feeling
>>> that you are somehow 'perfect', with an unrealistic view of your
>>> own limitations is a baseline sign of an internal disorder.
>>> 
>>> BTW, Will: Ya start yer helicopter lessons yet? ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> My further opinion, again , without knowing a thing about this accident,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nice to hold an opinion before knowing any of the facts. Glad
>>> aviation safety investigations are not run this way. My old
>>> Grandpop used to say "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone
>>> has one". Start out with a conclusion and then find facts to
>>> support them. You ought to go into politics! I hear that the
>>> UK Loonie Party is looking for a new candidate now that
>>> the Cat that they had died.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What a friggin loser. Hard to believe that all do not see that he's just
>>> plain whacko. Gifted in one area, and that's expressing his insecurity
>>> by constantly attempting to prove himself whether stretching string
>>> or attacking people here. Funny thing is that people say he's pretty
>>> meek in public. He would need to be, if he was as obscene in public
>>> as he is from behind a keyboard, he's probably not have lived long
>>> enough to have graduated from 12th grade.
>>> 
>>> Sheessh. I'd take Will at my 6 when things get tough -long- before
>>> I'd take someboy that has something to prove to himself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Back to yer Prozac now, Georgie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Sutton
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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