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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:57:47 -0400
To: Dave Sutton <dsutton@re*.or*>
CC: William Smithers <will@tr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Portrait of a loonie, WAS: Madison Blue
Hypocrite - Smithers is not only a friend of mine whose chops I will
bust as often as he busts mine, but is also an willing "expert" on
everything, including his newest sport, cave diving.

Contrary to your assumptions, wreck diving and ocean diving are about
3:1 with me over cave diving, I grew up in New England, and contrary to
your assumptions I am no different in person than I am right here. In
fact, when faced wtih a jerk like you I am a whole lot less pleasant in
person that I am on here. What your boy Mouth is referring to by me
being a "pussycat" is tht fact that not only have I and my predecessors
spent a great deal of time nicely and politely trying to explain to him
what is going on in cave diving that we do and he does not, we have
repeatedly invited him to join us in Tallahasee, which he has done. He
then reverts within a week to whatever silliness you see us criticizing
him for. The effort by us was merely to try to get the head of a
training agency to benefit from what we have learned. Not happening,
obviously, so we started our own at WKPP and Jarrod took it commercial
with the G.U.E. and already has a worldwide following.

Not only do our methods apply perfectly to wreck diving, as anyone who
does it or way will tell you, it seems to do better than anyone elses'
efforts on the Britannic recently, and it appears that the Alaskan,
Canadian, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, German and English cold water
divers find it optimal.

You want a fight with me, and you are going to get one every time you
open your mouth. So far you have provided zero information that has any
value. It has all been crap, and your own little personal problem with
me. You can take that up with me any time you like, and in the meantime,
I will take up the fact that you have no clue, and will do it point by
point.


Dave Sutton wrote:
> 
> Interesting psychology here:
> 
> >Denis, Smithers is a new "cave diver", as you can see by his comments.
> 
> Notice how Georgie the Insecure must first attempt to
> establish his 'superiority' over the others posting before
> he goes on to self-aggrandize. Who gives a shit about
> the experience level of anyone who simply put forth a
> simple news item for our edification? Georges typical style:
> First, spout how 'nobody knows what I know". That specious
> statement made, on with the normal rant. I'd like to see
> him -just once- start out without attacking the person who
> preceded him in debate.
> 
> >"experienced New York cave diver" is an oxymoron. Cave diving, like
> >flying a helcopter, is extremly dangerous unless you do it all the time.
> 
> Here we have another clue to his manifest insanity. It's somehow
> OK for him to be an experienced NE Wreck diver and produce
> all sorts of drivel regarding the techniques that are used by guys
> doing it every day, yet when the locales are exchanged, suddenly
> it's impossible for a northern resident to be acceptably skilled in
> a Florida based sport. So, Georgie, which is it? You don't wreck dive
> all the time, so are you unsafe at it? Or are you -special-?  Feeling
> that you are somehow 'perfect', with an unrealistic view of your
> own limitations is a baseline sign of an internal disorder.
> 
> BTW, Will: Ya start yer helicopter lessons yet? ;-)
> 
> >My further opinion, again , without knowing a thing about this accident,
> 
> Nice to hold an opinion before knowing any of the facts. Glad
> aviation safety investigations are not run this way. My old
> Grandpop used to say "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone
> has one". Start out with a conclusion and then find facts to
> support them. You ought to go into politics! I hear that the
> UK Loonie Party is looking for a new candidate now that
> the Cat that they had died.
> 
> What a friggin loser. Hard to believe that all do not see that he's just
> plain whacko. Gifted in one area, and that's expressing his insecurity
> by constantly attempting to prove himself whether stretching string
> or attacking people here. Funny thing is that people say he's pretty
> meek in public. He would need to be, if he was as obscene in public
> as he is from behind a keyboard, he's probably not have lived long
> enough to have graduated from 12th grade.
> 
> Sheessh. I'd take Will at my 6 when things get tough -long- before
> I'd take someboy that has something to prove to himself.
> 
> Back to yer Prozac now, Georgie.
> 
> Dave Sutton
> 
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