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Dave I see some likeness to your answers and Georges , of course you are not calling everyone names , which makes the exchange meaningful. scroll down At 11:02 AM 10/24/99 -0400, Dave Sutton wrote: > >>The guy was carrying two WKPP type sidemounts > > > >No he was not , I was talking about me.He had 2 steel stages left and > >right. > > >OK. No sweat. He had way too much shit on. >Side mounts plus doubles? Too much shit. >No wonder it (literally) dragged him to his >watery death. Sounds like George here , I believe even I rigged like I am would sink if I Blackout. It seems most try to stay neutral on the ascent which means you sink in a Blackout. On the decent most are negative and will sink on a blackout. >Reminds me of the closing lines of the >'New Jersey Wreck Divers Song" which >ends like this: > >"And with guages and guages, > From catalog pages, > He lept into the water and drowned" never heard it > >You have 2 different dive trips to the doria going here.Doria 98 I had the > >mask problem on the first dive and had my stages right and left.The ladder > >on the boat in 98 sucked ,in 99 they had a new ladder , I could climb that > >ladder with 4 stages anywhere on me ( not steel stages)if I wanted too. > > >OK. Same issue, however, of sides interfering with laddering. > > > >>I've seen many a deep > >>blue water wreck dive done with twin overpumped 80's and a 40 cube > >>poney with 02 in it. > > > >What depth and where is the blue water you refer to.What is the goal , >plan? > > > >> Think about it: Less drag for sure than side mounts > >>and adequate gas for bottom and deeper stops and 02 for the shallower > >>hang. But poneys suck 100% says the guru(s) from the South. I better > >>not get off on that subject either... ;-) > > > >Say, the Choapa. 190-ish. Open water. High relief. Bad vis. >Just about at the border depth for air V/S trimix. I choose >trimix on this day, meaning I'm also looking for 02 deco. >Not sure I'm getting back to the anchor line. Set up to do >an intentional off-anchor deco. Blow a bag and hang on >my reel line (cave reel or manila is yer choice). Wear >two 104's into an OMS manifold and carry a 40 cube >poney of oxygen for deco. You have changed your gear , you were talking twin overpumped 80's . > Side mount the poney or >back-mount like olden days? Not sure best answer. I know the best answer here , even the best wreckdiver I know has put that pony reg in his mouth by mistake going down , if it had been 02 he would have been dead before it was empty at 200ft + , get the damn thing off your back. >For sure an overpumped 40 is going to be enough 02, >though. If you need to over pump a forty with 02 , you have a poor sac rate. This also requires a H. pump .Why do it. >Side mount does me little real advantage here, >I'm a slow swimmer and not covering much ground. >Snagging hazards of the back-rig V/S the side rig are >about a wash. The ladder splash-zone environment is >easier to deal with using the back-mount. I have no >intent of stashing my 02 bottle on the bottom, since >if I could find it, could find the anchor line. if I can find >the anchor line, why am I carrying my own 02? There are many reasons to carry it on the side 1)you can see your gauge 2)reseat an oring if you have to and prepare yourself if it is about to be empty and don't tell me you got a hose long enough to see it , more CF if you do 3)change regs if you have an extra if it fails 4)open the thing if you forget to on the boat 5)close it if the second stage free flows 6)slob lines to the valve when it is on the back , just add to the CF 7)if it does get snag you can easily unsnag it do you get the picture here or must I go on >What's the need to carrying -4- bottles to the Doria? are you counting back gas or just stages? >You -are- going to go back to the anchor line for deco. >It's easy to find. You hopefully have hung-gas waiting for >you on a hose from K bottle on the boat. Carry what you >are going to breath, leave the deco gas on the boat. The only gas would be hung is 02 , I have several things I look at in a dive plan.I would post my doria plan if you wish to see it and my way of planning fail points and back ups.I'm sure the Gods from the south will attack it , but they dive different.I do not count on the anchor being there or the boat. > >I could agree here if you were more detailed of the dive. > > >See above. I'm not convinced that 4 bottle cave rigs belong >offshore. No resting place on the bottom, eh? I have not had to carry 4 stages on a dive yet , even 400ft+ dive I did this summer I only took 2 stages.I had more than enough gas per my sac rate. >This is -the- reason that I'm going to a fully closed rebreather. >I have enough gas to do anything I want to in a package weighing >less than a set of twin 72's. That's -including- enough off-board >gas to do my deco after any bailout to open circuit. I will to some day. > >>I'm not the sidemount expert so I'll keep my yap shut from here. But > >>it'll take some convincing to get me on board the idea that they are > >>always appropriate in high current blue water diving. > > > >There are NO experts on this list , all the experts I've heard of are > >dead.Thats the first thing they say about them in their obituaries "John > >Doe was an expert scuba diver", screw it I'm still learning don't want to > >be an expert:) > >Yup. Agreed. This is -the- issue. Nobody should feel that they are going to >be obscenely ridiculed by anyone here for asking questions or sharing >their experience. That does nothing but close communication lines. agreed >Which is better? Civility or rudeness? Civility >Open or closed communication? Open >Driving away those offended by the tone, or being nice and entering >into polite debate to convince a wayward entry that there is a better way? there will always be a better way > >You are answering a great many questions from the list , ready for a break? > > >Naah..... If anything, we have begun to use the list for the correct reason >and not to push any particular agenda. I don't see the gods posting , they maybe diving , they did not get blown out this weekend like we did.There definition of foreplay is BRACE YOURSELF and you should do the same. >Now, does anyone have anything to add to that?? ;-) Naah..... JT >Dave Sutton > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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