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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:08:31 -0400
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
CC: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     "\"Decompression List\""
Subject: Re: A question about training practices
Tom, once again you have been cought dispensing crap. When you do a real
dive that even requires decompression, I'll drive down there and kiss
your Rotweiller's ass.

If I tried to do a real dive ( like we do in WKPP ) using the bullshit
you are spewing here, I would be dead from DCS, or still in the water
decompressing.

The fact is that you have no clue what you are talking about, and what
you are recommmending here has no use in the real world of real diving,
which these poor students mistakenly think they are learning. This is
only part of why anyone trained by you has had to be completely
retrained before we could use them in the WKPP. Fact.

By the way, we use real doppler done by none other than Dr Johansen and
Dr Chimiak of Navy ( see Physiology anbd Medicine of diving for
Johansen's chapter on Doppler) , not some bullshit like you do, and it
is for real dives , not bounces in Weenie School. We also use blood
tests.

The fact is that you were cuaght opnce again trying to tell somebody to
ignore the excellent output of the WKPP on the subject of gases and
decompression, a serious disservice to all. Our work has been proven
over thousands of man dive hours on serious expposures, and is studied
by Naval Warfare because of our track record of success. You never learn
, do you?

Tom Mount wrote:
> 
> Bill
> We have numerous reasons we like EAN 80, I have had great success with it
> and use it all the time.
> 
> This had been a private email to a person who obliviously forwarded it to
> you, it was not addressed to you or even meant as a broad discussion , it
> was to answer the persons question on if we used EAN 80 and Why. That is
> exactly what I did in the (I thought) private email, It was not something
> for you to be involved in.
> 
> We do not forbid the use of oxygen and have tables that allow both. I
> personally feel quite comfortable with EAN 80.
> 
> In our normoxic Trimix course we use EAN 70 starting at 40 feet. this too
> has proved to be an excellent gas switch. It is a one gas switch course.
> 
> We dopplered EAN 50 dives on air divers, and mix divers.
> 
> Again you can take your Bakers dozen and do what ever with them. I many
> times over responded to them in the past,  but there is no need to. By now
> anyone reading any of these list is aware that there is no discussing issues
> with you two. It is your way or no way.
> 
> No most people do not run the pressure up to 3500, most of us use 40's at
> 3000 psig which beats 2000 psig if we use only oxygen and if you compare the
> time differences in deco schedules EAN 80 still looks good. .
> 
> On the decompression list there should be several people who may be able to
> discuss the safety and efficiency of EAN 80, and any possible advantages or
> disadvantages to it's use. . All I know is that with 8 years of wide spread
> use and no hits (decompression or oxygen) that I know of in training (or
> otherwise) it seems to work well
> 
> Tom
> 
>


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