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Don, go to the UHMS and read studies until your eyes fall out. The German's have a great one. I think you might want to ask why the guys who hold all the records in cave diving , who have the best track record in diving, and who have been doing it longest think the way they do. Do you think that maybe I am just a pussy? A wimp who can not "handle" air at 150 ( I can't, by the way)? Do you thihk that even though I have a degree in math and work on Wall $treet that I am too stupid to dive air, but that some of these insect level dive instructors have more grey mattter and higher IQ's than I do? Do you think that guys in the WKPP like Bill Mee ( biomedical engineer) or John Rose ( PhD in math ) or Scott Landon ( chemical engineer for the DuPont Company) are not bright guys like Tom Mount or his instructors and so can not "handle" air? You then might want to ask what if anything ever have any of the air strokes done. You might also want to look at the whole picture, like that fact that the nitrogen causes damage, that there is no way to successfully decompress from air, that there is no way to do an air dive without subclinical DCS symptoms, that commercial diving does not use it, and that the reason it is so tenaciously clung to is the fear of admitting the horrible mistake being made combined with the money being taken for nothing by the training agencies. You might also want to ask why the obvious needs to be spelled out . Let me give you an example. 50-90% of what goes through my wife's embergency room has drugs or alcholol attached to it someplace, and I have yet to see any study that points this out. Another friend of mine who runs another ER cites the same percentages, especially when it comes to auto accidents, fights , gun shots, and other "accidents". Guess what - neither of them drink and drive. Gee, I wonder why? Don, how many people have been killed air diving? How many have been killed where there is no good explanation, yet they were between 100 and 170 on air? How many more will go that way? How can smart people get their lead from dumb boat monkey dive industry mutants? Don W. wrote: > > Okay... so maybe I'm just getting bored with the latest threads on > converting the US to metric units... or not. > > Tom Mount (IANTD) says he's personally comfortable to 170 feet on > air. George Irvine says you're stupid to go deeper than 130 feet on > air and probably shouldn't go _that_ deep. Numerous people have died > trying to push the SCUBA record of deep air to 500 feet or so. > > Question for all of you... > > What unexplainable stupid behavior have you seen from your > dive partners diving between 80 and 170 feet (on air) that would > indicate that they were seriously f____ed and didn't know it? > > Where are some good chamber studies with less subjective results > than a binary win/loss chess game indicating the progressive loss > of mental function at high nitrogen partial pressures? > > Where are some good chamber studies which eliminate the nitrogen > and study the progressive loss of mental function at high oxygen > partial pressures? > > The questions are clear, and I challenge all interested academics > to produce the citations, or think seriously of the simple indicated > experiments... > > Why does the issue of impairment due to high nitrogen or oxygen > partial pressures continue to be an item of debate within the > technical diving community? > > Hope this generates some good discussion, and either gets someone > to cite some papers, or do some chamber experiments and write them. > > regards, > > Don W. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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