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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:39:52 +0100
To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
From: "innes@di*.pi*.co*" <xah40@po*.di*.pi*.co*>
Subject: Lusitania and beyond
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
You miss the point pal.....

I dont doubt that we could agree on a great deal about the goings-on the
Lusitania website. I know that several members of the party are embarassed
by some of its content.

What I am saying is that the likes of Cobb would be better to address these
issues in a constructive and factual manner. They do thier cause no service
by alienating people with fanatical and abusive rhetoric. I was angered by
this man rudely and offensively abusing some of my friends. He may have had
some good ideas to share - but who is going to listen to him now?

We can all learn from each other. 

Its just sad when the barriers go up, because the point has already lost
its merits.

Innes

PS - I am told that 'stroke' is a term of abuse. Why perpetuate this
continuing antagonism? What is the point? Where is the constuctive dialogue?


At 07:24 PM 9/20/99 -0400, kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>Show me where anything they are doing makes any sense, where anything I
>am saying does not, and I will fly over and kiss your ass next week. I
>already have a ticket good for one year. You make the case, Innes, and I
>will publicly kiss your stroke ass. This is a guarantee. I am dead
>serious.
>
>I thing that wegbsite is one of the worst examples I have ever seen of
>dangerous stupidity, and I will be glad to go over each point with you
>piece by piece.
>
>
>
>innes@di*.pi*.co* wrote:
>> 
>> You might have noticed that I am not actually ON the Lusitania website. I
>> dived it in 1995.......
>> 
>> My 'rant' was about the zealous way some quarters of this sport behave
>> toward their peers..
>> 
>> THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT
>> 
>> NO ONE IS TOTALLY RIGHT
>> 
>> PEOPLE LEARN THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES
>> 
>> LIGHTEN-UP GEORGE.......
>> 
>> Innes
>> 
>> At 07:58 AM 9/18/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Innes, you are not our "peer", you are a dangerous, embarassing stroke.
>> >On your web site are some of the worst examples of idiocy I have ever
>> >seen, like oxygen ponied to sets behind the diver - really stupid,
>> >braggadocio about "deep air diving" on wrecks in the UK - expecially
>> >stupid, and revealing discussions of what dive courses you and your band
>> >of dillatante clowns have been taking , a real laugh.
>> >
>> >Too many people see examples like this, read the slop you put out ( many
>> >fine examples of which are quoted on this list), and not only get the
>> >wrong idea, they unititiated get killed emulating this crap.
>> >
>> >There is no reason to treat you other than as the bungee jumping half
>> >wit that you have proven you are.
>> >
>> >By the way, idiot, Cobb is not a "cave diver" he is a wreck diver, and
>> >any of us who have an interest in seeing this sport progress from what
>> >you are doing to a legitimate and accepted endeavor will have the same
>> >reaction to your display of diving cretanism.
>> >
>> >In other words, those of us who know better will not tolerate jerks like
>> >you trying to ruin it for everyone, nor wil we sit by and watch the
>> >usual suspects line their pockets with money at teh excpense of human
>> >life.
>> >
>> >Instead of putting out foul-mouthed crap on here, why don't you
>> >entertain us all with the logic of opnied oxygen, bondage wings,
>> >bullshit qgasses, stroke rigs and gear, and deep air, and prove me right
>> >once again. Go ahead, tell us why we this is ok.
>> >
>> >innes@di*.pi*.co* wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You know..
>> >>
>> >> The Florida caving set continue to irritate everybody in techical diving.
>> >>
>> >> I wish all of this stupidity would end.
>> >>
>> >> If I or any of my friends are insulted by the likes of Cobb - we will
>> >> defend ourselves.
>> >>
>> >> Unless you noticed - there are many different styles and techniques
in tek
>> >> diving. This is one of the aspects of the sport which makes it so great.
>> >>
>> >> How about being a little human??
>> >>
>> >> Innes - no personal axe to grind.  Just tired of being insulted by my 
>peers.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >  Listen, Dickweed, after that display of public stupidy on your web
>> page, I
>> >> >can not believe you then get on here and use foul language, you cock
>> sucker.
>> >> >This is not allwoed on techdiver.
>> >> >
>> >> >innes@di*.pi*.co* wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Go fuck yourself - cave diving scum asshole.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Some of these divers are best you will find anywhere.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Shove your DIR up your pond-life ass and  take all your other stupid
>> >> >> >expressions with you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Innes McCartney - British and proud of it
>> >> >> >
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