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From: "Richard Pyle" <deepreef@bi*.or*>
To: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Cc: "TechDiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Helium willies
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:03:55 -1000
> Richie, before you started diving is the correct answer, unless you
> started at about age 2. I will be glad to pull the scorecard on you and
> run through some of the more ridiculous stuff, if that will help jog
> your memmory.

O.K., let's see the scorecard.  Let's pick an easy one:  When was the first
time you breathed a mixture containing helium underwater?  Be truthful
now -- I already know the answer.

> The difference between me and you is that I lack anything to prove to
> anyone

That's sort of an odd statement.  If we compare the volume of email you've
contributed to this list over the last couple years to the volume I've
contributed, and especially if we examine the postings for relative content
of "chest-beating", which one of us has established a pattern of trying to
"prove" something, and which one of us has continued on doing what we do,
with very little boasting?  What, exactly, do I have to prove, and to whom;
and upon what basis would you make such a statement?

>, and when I do something wrong , like deco on air, or when I find
> something better, I make the change and admit my mistake and talk about
> why.

Right.  Shall we compare the openness and honesty with which each of us has
reported our respective encounters with bends symptoms?  Look at all of your
public reports of bends and all of my public reports, and try your best to
construct a case whereby you are more forthcoming in admitting your own
mistakes.  But warn me ahead of time, so I won't be drinking when I read the
post - my moniter is nice and clean and I want to keep it that way.

> You clearly do not. You are more like a land crab who backs into the
> corner with his claws up. In fact, you were still in a wheelchair from
> one of your 220 air bounces when I set a record for distnace in a deep
> cave on trimix.

Huh?  Last time I was in a wheelchair following a 220-foot dive (actually, I
had pain only after the deep dive, which was more like 250; the neurological
symptoms came after a later dive to 140) was 1986.  You set a record for
distance in a deep cave on trimix in 1986?  Which cave was that?

> Ask Mount - he was on the boat when I did one of my first trimix dives,
> and he told everyone to ignore me ( and still does ), that I was nuts
> and that I would get "helium bends" like Hal Watts did. A few years
> later he started IANTD.

So you did your first trimix dive only "a few years" before the formation of
IANTD?  Sorry, fella, but you're going to have to go a lot further back than
that to substantiate your claim of having done this stuff "a hell of a lot
longer" than I have.

> You were about 15 then, big time.

Now we're back to 1982.  So...you're trying to tell us that to did your
first trimix dive in 1982?  Wow, that is impressive. But wait, that would be
a full 10 years before Tom first got involved with IANTD.  So what you're
saying now is that you did your first trimix dive a full *decade* before Tom
started with IANTD? Very impressive indeed.  But who was your dive buddy on
this amazing 1982 dive?

Look, I really don't care what the real answer is.  I don't want to back you
into a corner, because whenever that happens, things get ugly -- and nobody
on this list will benefit from that.  I've already wasted enough bandwith
with this little exchange of ours (and I accept fully half the blame for
that - my apologies to the others on this list), and since I'm only an
occassional visitor to this list, I don't want to piss off any of the
regulars by engaging in yet another senseless battle of egos with you.
Nobody is getting anything useful out of this, no matter which one of us has
the bigger phallus. I used to enjoy this little game of ours, but the
novelty has long worn away.  The only reason I stepped back in on this
thread is that I've been sick these past few days, so have not been able to
get much else done. I'm feeling better today, so I'm going back to work. You
go back to telling everyone about deep cave records, and I'll crawl back to
the rebreather list, where I belong.

Aloha,
Rich

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