Chris, the only risk with the Cis is dying of natural causes - in fact
is has happened three times now. As long as Richie stays out of
"Walmart", he should be ok. The CIS is extremely simple - the epitome of
KISS. That is why Nobel Prize winning physicists from MIT have no
trouble using it. The reason they use the Cis is so they don't have to
make up trimix. In fact timix is so difficult that the CIS will not let
you use it until you have 100 hours on the unit. This way you can dive
air in a 17,000 rebreather, like a real moron.

In other words, I think we all can see that theree is not one person on
this cc list who can make any sense of air diving, and the more they
talk , the dumber they look.

I see Turbeville on the cc list - he must be wondering how some of this
would sound as a defense to the dumbest thing being practiced on this
planet in this day and age outside of the Zioncoptic Church. Fo you
marines, the Z Chruch is a bunch of characters in Miami who say that pot
smoking is a religion.

I think those guys make a better case than you guys do, but who can
afford pot when air is so cheap?

Chris Werner wrote:
> 
> Hey Richie, how is that you can deal with the deathtrap (Cis-Lunar) that you
> swear by diving, with all the complications and it hideous fatal track
> record, but yet you cannot mix the right gas for OC?  You are one lucky guy
> and tougher than nails.
> 
> Chris
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> Cc: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; Wrolf Courtney
> <wrolf@wr*.ne*>; <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom
> Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>;
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
> Christian Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>; Mark the Nark Andrews
> <extreme@de*.fr*.co*.uk*>; Afonso Pinheiro Junior
> <afonso0@ib*.ne*>; Barrie Heard <bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>; Bill Nadeau
> <tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>; Dick Rutkowski <dick@hy*.co*>; Erika
> Haley <haley@ca*.ky*>; Fabio Amaral <fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>; Fabio
Ruberti
> <ruberti@io*.it*>; Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>; Garry
> Howland <ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>; Gil <gildiver@di*.co*.br*>; Gina & Mark
> Leonard <ginamark@at*.ne*>; Gregg Stanton <gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>;
> IANTD Czech <kony@un*.cz*>; IANTD Germany <iantd@su*.de*>; IANTD
> Greece <iantdgr@at*
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction
> and158 m air dives You gotta be kidding)
> 
> > Rich, this is because you are such a tough guy - a lot better than us ,
> > obviously, we have trouble getting good results at 120 on air, and at
> > 150 we have nothing but screwups. The deco does not work from air, but
> > then since you have been paralyzed twice on air or nitrox dives, maybe
> > you have it all figured out by now, and can inform this fine list of
> > eager air divers about the way to really get it done.Maybe I need to
> > dive a little more and toughen myself up like some of you. Maybe smoke
> > some pot or something, what would you suggest?
> >
> > So far your contributios to diving suck, Richie - you recommend solo
> > diving, and brag about it, and guess what - all three Cis Lunar deaths
> > were solos - if the great Rich Pyle can do it, so can everyone else,
> > right?
> >
> > Then you yap about air diving while the track record of air for diving
> > and deco in the insideous range , 100-150, is abysmal , especially here
> > where there are caves and dark water and decisions have to be made
> > underwater.
> >
> > The real story is that you do not want to be out of synch with Mouth and
> > his band, since then somebody besides me might argue with you.
> >
> > So far you ar not doing to well in the make sense category, and when you
> > can tell me why air at 150 makes any sense, and have it come out not
> > sunding  as stupid as it really is, I will be glad to change eveything
> > that we all have learned and know to be true, and start diving it
> > myself. You can't do it.
> >
> > This is really bad form for you - a total sellout to bullshit.
> >
> > Richard Pyle wrote:
> > >
> > > The only reason I do it that way is that it is extremely easy with a
> > > rebreather.  If I was still diving OC, I'd not waste my time with helium
> > > shallower than about 150 or so.
> > >
> > > Aloha,
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Chris Werner wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> > > > > If you really wanted to be conservative, then you might drop maximum
> Pnarc
> > > > > to 4.0 atm, and require helium on all dives deeper than 100 fsw.  I
> might
> > > > > be in favor of that, as it is more or less the route I have taken on
> my
> > > > > own dives.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richie, I hate to have to do this but, I agree with you. The limit
> should be
> > > > somewhere around this value. This is what we are practicing and it is
> good
> > > > to see others that are actually diving, adopting this same type of
> SOP. No
> > > > matter how you came about it. It is better for narcosis and for deco.
> While
> > > > I don't use air at all, an EAD of 100' is my absolute limit on
> narcosis. It
> > > > appears as those who do little or no deep/cave diving are the ones who
> are
> > > > consistently pushing the limits. Those of us who are consistently
> diving
> > > > every week have already figured this one out. It is a shame that those
> who
> > > > give the advice have not come to the same conclusions.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Richard Pyle
> > > Ichthyology, Bishop Museum                deepreef@bi*.or*
> > > 1525 Bernice St.                          PH: (808) 848-4115
> > > Honolulu, HI 96817-2704                   FAX: (808) 847-8252
> >
> >

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