This make a lot of sense - yeah , right. Have you ever thought about the
fact that getting high underwater is not an answer to cold water. Have
yo ever considered that just becuse other people are doing stupid things
in Europe that you do not need to be teaching the same? Have yoo ever
thought about the fact that there are many people in Germany , like
Reinhard Buchaly , who are doing things proeprly and who disagree with
what you are saying, and that get a lot more done in diving than you
ever will with your attitude? Have you even considered that if you can
not afford the helium you do not need to be teaching tec diving, and
there is nobody holding a gun to yor head telling you to dive deep
without the right gases. Try that skydiving:" Parchutes are too
expensive so we Europeans jump out of aiplanes with umbrellas".

What is the German workd for "bullshit"? Bullshit is believing that you
can "teach" deep air diving, teach anything while deep on air, learn
anything deep on air, or do anything deep on air other than save
yourself the money you would hav spent getting high with real drugs.
Your queetion should read, "have you ever considerd the cost of
expensive imported South Ameican drugs here in Germany?".

Air diving is bullshit, and you are supposed to be teaching tec diving. 
Cold water my ass. Tell that to the Swedes.


Submariner Germany wrote:
> 
> Just want to ask some important questions:
> 
> Have you ever thought about water temperatures of 4°C (39F)?
> Have ever thought about prices of Helium in Europe?
> Have you ever thought about common diving practices in Central Europe?
> 
> As we all know is N-Narcosis not only depending on the ppN. The psychlogical
> effects of the different environments count at least as much as the ppN. A
> limit of 130 ft on Air could be way to much or more or less no problem. To
> limit the use of air to a max depth of 130 ft. is not our favorite limit.
> 
> Yours
> 
> IANTD Germany, Austria & Switzerland
> 
> Benjamin & Marion Altkorn
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> An: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
> Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; Wrolf Courtney
> <wrolf@wr*.ne*>; halcyon@ha*.ne* <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Bill Mee
> <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; bdi@wh*.ne*
> <bdi@wh*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
Christian
> Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>; Mark the Nark Andrews
> <extreme@de*.fr*.co*.uk*>; Afonso Pinheiro Junior
> <afonso0@ib*.ne*>; Barrie Heard <bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>; Bill Nadeau
> <tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>; Dick Rutkowski <dick@hy*.co*>; Erika
> Haley <haley@ca*.ky*>; Fabio Amaral <fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>; Fabio
Ruberti
> <ruberti@io*.it*>; Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>; Garry
> Howland <ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>; Gil <gildiver@di*.co*.br*>; Gina & Mark
> Leonard <ginamark@at*.ne*>; Gregg Stanton <gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>;
> IANTD Czech <kony@un*.cz*>; IANTD Germany <iantd@su*.de*>; IANTD
> Greece <iantdgr@at*.mb*.gr*>; IANTD Holland <tekkie@xs*.nl*>; IANTD
> Ireland <IANTDIRL@ao*.co*>; IANTD JAPAN <iantdjp@di*.co*>; IANTD
> Japan Training <iantdjp@di*.co*>; IANTD Korea <aad@sa*.co*>; IANTD
> Micronesia <psdivers@ku*.gu*.ne*>; IANTD Philippines
> <iantd-rp@i-*.co*.ph*>; IANTD Philippines Alex
> <techsec@i-*.co*.ph*>; IANTD Portugal <po12210@pt*.ib*.co*>; IANTD S.E.
> Asia <khooss@si*.co*.sg*>; IANTD Scandanvia <egil@av*.fi*>; IANTD
> South Africa <iantdsa@ia*.co*>; IANTD Spain <iantdspa@dn*.ii*.es*>;
> IANTD Sweden <info@ia*.co*>; Jill Heinerth <heinerth@gt*.ne*>; Jim
> Mims <divetek@oc*.co*>; John Thornton <Johnpt@sc*.co*>; Joseph
> Dituri <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>; kevin gurr <100044.3401@co*.co*>; Kim
> Cochrane <Cochrane@ac*.co*>; Lamar Hires <lamar@di*.co*>; Nick
> Jewson <NickJewson@co*.co*>; Paul Lijnen <paull@vi*.uu*.be*>;
> Paul Neilsen <mandarin@ga*.ne*.hk*>; REG BOER @ BARBARA HENSBY
> <regboer@bi*.co*>; Richard Nordstrom <74663.1663@co*.co*>;
> Shelley orlowski <orlowski@at*.ne*>; Vebjørn Karlsen
> <karlsenv@on*.no*>; Victor Williams <diving@sp*.co*>; William J
> Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>; cavers@ca*.co*
> <cavers@ca*.co*>; Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; kirvne@sa*.ne*
> <kirvne@sa*.ne*>; "\"Jess Armantrout\"" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>;
> Dan L. Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>; "\"Jody Everett\""
> <jeverett@ne*.co*>; Lawrence Orchard-London
> <lorchard@Ru*.co*>; john@ro*.co*.uk*
> <john@ro*.co*.uk*>
> Datum: Freitag, 20. August 1999 05:03
> Betreff: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction
> and158m air dives You gotta be kidding)
> 
> >
> >The only reason I do it that way is that it is extremely easy with a
> >rebreather.  If I was still diving OC, I'd not waste my time with helium
> >shallower than about 150 or so.
> >
> >Aloha,
> >Rich
> >
> >On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Chris Werner wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> >> > If you really wanted to be conservative, then you might drop maximum
> Pnarc
> >> > to 4.0 atm, and require helium on all dives deeper than 100 fsw.  I
> might
> >> > be in favor of that, as it is more or less the route I have taken on my
> >> > own dives.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Richie, I hate to have to do this but, I agree with you. The limit should
> be
> >> somewhere around this value. This is what we are practicing and it is
> good
> >> to see others that are actually diving, adopting this same type of SOP.
> No
> >> matter how you came about it. It is better for narcosis and for deco.
> While
> >> I don't use air at all, an EAD of 100' is my absolute limit on narcosis.
> It
> >> appears as those who do little or no deep/cave diving are the ones who
> are
> >> consistently pushing the limits. Those of us who are consistently diving
> >> every week have already figured this one out. It is a shame that those
> who
> >> give the advice have not come to the same conclusions.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Richard Pyle
> >Ichthyology, Bishop Museum                deepreef@bi*.or*
> >1525 Bernice St.                          PH: (808) 848-4115
> >Honolulu, HI 96817-2704                   FAX: (808) 847-8252
> >
> >


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