Ted, > Charlie didn't die because he was diving the Doria. Wrong Ted, he was unprepared. Wrong configuration, wrong training, wrong dive planning---he did not belong on this dive. >Charlie didn't die because he was wearing a pony bottle. Ted, the pony bottle is a flag ( something that provides a clue to you ) It proves Charlie had no real understanding of gear configuration or how to use mixed gasses on a tek dive. It points to poor or absent tek training and poor choices of buddies/peers to dive with ( we might assume no one told him he was wrong to dive like this--this could be an indication Charlie did not seek out opinions or that he ignored them ). > Charlie didn't die from the wrong mix in any of his tanks. Ted, if he had air in his pony, an incorrect mix was used. It might or might not be relevant by itself, but as one more mistake, added to a list, its points again to poor or absent training, no understanding of tek diving, and the acceptance of unsound tek diving procedures by his peer group ( whoever they might be). > Charlie didn't die from not having a buddy going up the anchor line. Ted, this is among your worst failures in understanding this tragedy. A "Real" buddy would of course, not let Charlie do this dive. But if he had, the contribution a real buddy would make would be continual contact throughout the dive---When Charlie began over exerting, a good buddy would have seen the danger signs of overexertion, and gotten in Charlies face to slow him down and forget getting to the line. Fighting this hard to get to a line at depth may have been an excuse to die from CO2 induced Oxtox 20 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, but anyone today who has this occur to them in a scenario like this, can't possibly have any appreciation for the physics or the proper behavior on a deep dive. In south Florida, where large currents on deep shipwrecks are common, we have standard procedures for being blown off a line, and for avoidance of work into a current. This is part of the issue as to whether he should even have been on the dive. He should have been "trained" to dive a wreck like the Doria, and been intimately familiar with big currents. If he had practiced this on shallower shipwrecks, or been aware of the mistake of exertion, perhaps he would still be with us. So again, poor or no training. > Charlie probably died from a CO2 hit. This death could have happened just as easily in a cave in Florida swimming against an out flow current, or doing a dive off Ft. Lauderdale trying to swim against the Gulf Stream current. No. Tek divers here ( DIR tek divers <g> ) are "trained" NOT to fight currents. Our gear configuration and streamlining often allows us to "experience" no real current, while divers with poor gear configurations are helplessly blown backwards. Also, where currents are always an issue, we are more apt to use Gavin Scooters, eliminating the effect of current and exertion. Either use the right gear ( scooter), or plan the dive so that you don't need one. >Obviously a buddy might have been able to save him but there are certainly no guarantees. George, why don't you direct your energy toward explaining the increased risk of a CO2 hit from over exertion while wearing doubles, stages, dry suit while trying to swim against a current? George has gone over this many times before. His typical response was that if you can't afford a scooter in this scenario, you have no business diving it. its kinda like a North Florida farm animal that can't afford scuba tanks, so he attaches his garden hose to the compressor from his workshop the one in the trailer<g>) , and trys diving like this. You need then right gear. You need to be able to "see" the ramifications of NOT using the right gear. If you can't, you should NOT have the certification. >Who knows, maybe you could prevent a future death by explaining the cause, symptoms, and treatment for excessive CO2 build up! Try instantly ceasing all exertion the moment you realize you are over exerting. You can glue to the bottom, or drift with the current. At depth, you need to stay on your trimix at this time, as CO2 build up will not be as problematic on trimix as with air or nitrox--even if we are talking at 100 feet or at 80 feet, trimix would be safer. Maybe Charlie was freaked from exertion, felt funny, and switched to his pony to feel better---that would be a fatal mistake if exertion continued. Dan Volker -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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