Errol,
it IS natural to die if you don't turn the unit/oxygen on ;)
I'd probably have a heart attack too if I realised I'd been so stupid.

Scott

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> From: Errol Kalayci <errol@ga*.ne*>
> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Jody Everett (E-mail 2)
<jodyev@in*.co*>
> Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail) <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Techdiver (E-mail)
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 6:32 AM
> 
> I think everyone mistook Jody's humor as being serious.  To put it in
terms
> as politically correct as I can, I believe Jody was infering that
everytime
> a person dies diving the persons that may have some liability claim
natural
> causes.
> Errol
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> To: Jody Everett (E-mail 2) <jodyev@in*.co*>
> Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail) <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Techdiver (E-mail)
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
> 
> 
> >Jody
> >
> >No, young athletes that were tested include one 24 year old who had an
FSU
> >swimming scholarship and spent 13 years as a competitive swimmer,
currently
> >he is still swimming, cycling, lifting weights and is one of my Karate
> >students. His vo2 max is well above average and definitely qualifies as
an
> >athlete.
> >
> > Another is a 30 year old who is also one of my karate students and who
in
> >addition also runs 4 times a week for one hour and lifts weights,  I do
not
> >know exactly how strong he is but he benches 325 for 29 reps and as he
is
> >only 6 foot at 195 pounds with about 10% body fat I would say he is
rather
> >strong and fit. His VO2 max is also well above average and into the
athlete
> >category rather good.
> >
> >The other two are similar in background and condition.
> >
> >I do not know what your expertise in physiology is but you obviously do
not
> >realize how conditioned one may keep them selves in they are really
devoted
> >to it. Personally I have been training every since I was 12 years old
and I
> >think the long term benefits do pay off. and no I'm not as good as I was
20
> >years ago but much better condition than most of the young active people
I
> >meet. Of course a younger person with the same training drive should be
in
> >better condition and would most likely have a higher Vo2 max, But that
does
> >not prevent mine from bing good.
> >
> >Even though I should not bring it up I think you will discover that G
like
> >wise at 47 scored higher than the group he tested with who were also
well
> >conditioned young men and ladies. So you may wish to rethink your age
and
> >fitness theory as it pertains to individuals vs statistics.and age group
> >population averages.
> >
> >While my training is not extreme it does consist of a minimum of 1 hour
> >every day and most of the time at least two hours or more including
> >1. Karate (41 years in this art before that Judo with boxing before
during
> >and currently)
> >2. Running
> >3. Cycling (fall, winter and spring I do not do it in the summer as I
pit
> >more time into other areas in the summer)
> >4. Roller blading
> >5. Weights
> >6. Kyak
> >7. Swimming ( mostly in the summer and fall)
> >8. Stairmaster (one of my favorites is doing what I call survival
training
> >and is 40 minutes at the highest level on the Stairmaster doing a
minimum
> of
> >400)
> >9 I also use a time works machine, and various other aerobic machines
> >primarily when weather is bad enough to prevent my getting outside to
> >workout.
> >
> >I  think most diving accidents come down to human error,
> >
> >Speaking of all this what is your fitness level???
> >
> >
> >Respectfully yours,
> >Tom Mount
> >CEO IANTD World HQ
> >http://www.iantd.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jody Everett (E-mail 2) <jodyev@in*.co*>
> >To: 'Tom Mount' <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> >Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail) <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Techdiver (E-mail)
> ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:03 PM
> >Subject: RE: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
> >
> >
> >>Tom,
> >>After 60, "elite" just means that you aren't already dead.  While you
> might
> >>be in good shape, especially considering your age, 4 young "athletes"
> >should
> >>be able to better your VO2MAX.  If they can't, they might want to
> >reconsider
> >>using the term "athlete".  That is unless by young you mean anything
less
> >>than 55.
> >>
> >>Question for you:  If 4 young, well-conditioned, "athletes" went out
and
> >>dove the Andrea Doria using big yellow rebreathers, what are the
chances
> >>that all four will die during the dive as a result of heart attack or
> other
> >>natural causes?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: rebreather-request@nw*.co*
> >>[mailto:rebreather-request@nw*.co*]On Behalf Of Tom Mount
> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:30 AM
> >>To: Karl Kramer; Jody Everett
> >>Cc: Techdiver (E-mail); RB flaming list
> >>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
> >>
> >>Karl
> >>I'm sixty, and my heart is perfect BP 130 over 70 pulse 50.  I just
> >>completed a physical stress test with a rating of elite (whatever that
> >>means). and a VO2 that exceeded 4 young athletes who took the test at
the
> >>same time I did.  So age is not the problem, fitness and maintaining
good
> >>condition is the controlling factor. I have dropped 20 year olds out of
> >>programs due to their fitness level and had some of my most fit divers
> over
> >>40.
> >>
> >>Respectfully yours,
> >>Tom Mount
> >>CEO IANTD World HQ
> >>http://www.iantd.com
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Karl Kramer <Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*>
> >>To: Jody Everett <jodyev@in*.co*>
> >>Cc: Techdiver (E-mail) <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; RB flaming list
> >><rebreather@nw*.co*>
> >>Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 5:03 AM
> >>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
> >>
> >>
> >>From:           "Jody Everett" <jodyev@in*.co*>
> >>
> >>> Maybe all you guys over 40 should just give up diving.  There seems
to
> be
> >>a
> >>> much higher rate of heart problems in the 40-50 age group of divers
than
> >>in
> >>> the rest of the general population.
> >>
> >>Hi Jody,
> >>
> >>Rebreather-Divers are a preselected group,
> >>what makes it quite normal that this
> >>also means other matches / characteristics in common.
> >>Those who prefer silence unter water are
> >>surely often doing that because they are highly stress exposed at work
> >>and so have a much higher rate of heart problems.
> >>
> >>Then you refer to the Colour of housings: simply look at the
sales-count,
> >>it is more likely in absolute numbers that a money-spinner
> >>(Car-Examole: like a VW) in involved in an accident / natural-causes
death
> >>than a shelf warmer.
> >>
> >>Rgds,
> >>
> >>    Karl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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