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From: "Bill Mee" <wwm@sa*.ne*>
To: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
Subject: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria Deaths - Let's dive some air
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:15:43 -0400
JT,

I thought I smelled something funny here and I should have guessed that it
had the whiff of air.  It seemed a bit odd that the only thing which was not
reported was the gas pressure and the regulator dispositon of the Charlie's
pony bottle. Naturally, I thought that the idea of an air pony was beyond
the pale stupid, but when I noticed the photo of this deviant behavior being
proudly displayed on Christina Youngs website I began to suspect that the
practice is more widespread than is freely admitted.

After reflecting on the matter, it became clear that the "air pony" was the
probably the rat in the woodpile. IANTD still endorses the use of air to 50
metres, which is the approximate depth of the top of the Doria.  I will bet
that the fear of breathing hypoxic trimix at the surface and the fear of
breathing an hyperoxic deco gas past it's breathable depth is leading people
to use air as a travel gas. As George clearly pointed out this is not so
smart. If one gets into any kind of cluster on the way down, which is
usually where they occur, then the problem is vastly compounded.

What never ceases to amaze me is that you guys love of the personal
preference inevitably leads to the institutionalization of a farm animal
practice. What other little secrets do you guys have in your tank boot?

-----Original Message-----
From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: wwm@sa*.ne* <wwm@sa*.ne*>
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:29 AM
Subject: Doria Deaths - Let's dive some air


>JT, et al, let's get back to your recent Doria recovery. You all keep
>skipping the fact that this guy had an air bottle ponied between his
>doubles. Forgetting that this is too stupid for anyone but Christina
>Young, who has this cluster on her web site in living color, maybe we
>need to look a litle closer at just how this probably came into play.
>
>  The guy was diving mix, right? Well, I have noticed that the farm
>animals tend to tell people to use a "travel gas" from the surface,
>rather than just drop down. Is there a chance that our boy did this with
>his air pony and then effectively was diving air at depth when he had
>his "problem"? Even when you switch to mix, it takes a couple of minutes
>to take effect, meaning that even if he switched back before he hit
>depth, he was still being effected. If one really has to do this, one
>needs to do it with another trimix,and then hold position for two
>minutes before continuing the decent, but that still should not be
>ponied between the back tanks with the regs everywhere.
>
>  Come on JT, what do you think? I realize that this is so stupid as to
>be criminal, but I think it happened.  How much gas ( air ) was left in
>the pony, guys? Can you tell us that?
>
>  By the way, the concept of a pony is a vestigal throwback to the days
>of single port manifolds, where a pony was indeed a necessity. However,
>as of about 1971, when the Benjamin ( dual port) manifold was created,
>this became nonsense, and become totally useless when the isolator was
>added to the dual port manifold. Only the worst boat monkee fails to
>understand this.
>
>  Then to put air in the pony is too much. Then to not know what
>happened, and to report the accident while leaving out the most
>important information, is why you guys keep having accidents.
>
>  JT, are we going to stick with the bullshit, or are we going to start
>learning something. Your call - make your move, tell us what really
>happened. Where was the pony reg ( and what as the reg config) when you
>recoved the body, and how much gas (air) was left in the pony?
>
>
>

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