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The problem is that JJ and I are too busy for all of this stuff, and unfortunately , the only people we talk to are each other or others on the team who are also too busy. Apparently there were photogrpahers from magazines , newpapers and TV there who made impromtu DIR rigs and then there are reversed negatives, quicky graphics, etc. The worst thing that ever happeened was a story about us with pictures of horrendous strokery from Stone's project. That was pretty upsetting, since you just can't get any dumber than some of the things those people did. George: > > I myself was surprised when I saw the pictures in both magazines. It could > be misleading to people. It was to me. > > Of course, I just thought that with 150 people it's hard to keep everything > alwyas in line. You should see what well rehearsed clients come up with on > the stand. > > Your tank marking system is by far the best - maybe the pictures should be > consdiered before sending them off to a magazine tha goes out to the tech > audience. > > Anyway, murphy's law seems to play a part with these pics getting published > as they were. > > susan > > >Scotch. We own no tanks that are not marked, so the "feedback" is > >bullshit. I have not seen the magazine but it is likely just that the > >tank is facing away from its markings. In the other magazine, JJ and I > >wrote the article, and then Bowen decided to get heavy handed with the > >graphics and add the word "MOD", which we do not have on our tanks. > > > >The big problem is that despite my efforts to get good information out > >there ( my predecessor would not waste five seconds trying to convince > >anyone of anything ), and despite the fact that JJ had the balls to > >forgo the status quo's strangle hold on "training" and produce a quality > >product at his own expense with little hope of making much if any money > >out of it, there are still hoardes of entrenched idiots out there for > >whom JJ and I are their worst nightmare. > > > >These are the "feedback". We are slowly but surely winning the war on > >the destruciton of our sport by the idiots, and if we are lucky, we will > >beat out the seemingly inevitable time when what we do is illegal thanks > >to the morons and the unscrupulous. > > > >In the meantime, Alton Hall will get rich(er). > > > >kevin.obrien@ci*.co* wrote: > >> > >> > >> George, > >> > >> I apologize for this "feedback" you are getting from > >> the pictures in our magazine. I had tried getting a > >> hold of Tim O'Leary in an effort to get the pictures > >> you had given him earlier this year -- but got no > >> response back either via phone or e-mail so with a > >> deadline fast approaching we got them from JJ. > >> > >> > >> If you wish, to avoid this kind of crap in the > >> future, we will try to get you a copy > >> beforehand. > >> > >> You have the patience of a saint -- you must be > >> Irish. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Kevin O'Brien > >> Immersed Magazine > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > >> Subject: Re: Modified DIR-Ocean > >> Author: bigvon (bigvon@be*.ne*) at INTERNET > >> Date: 08/11/1999 4:08 AM > >> > >> > >> George, > >> > >> Don't get upset as I am stating for the record your tank marking scheme when > >> used is the most sensible. Furthermore stage markings should be mandatory. > >> > >> But check out page 35 of the new Advanced Diver magazine. According to the > >> caption under the picture a stage bottle used on your record setting traverse > >> dive has the MOD labeled with duck tape. Is this an accepted practice? > >> > >> Also in Immersed the stage bottle you are referring to on page 28 is also not > >> marked in any apparent obvious way. What's the deal? > >> > >> > >> Katherine Irvine wrote: > >> > >> > Jeff, anyone "with a grade school education" would know what the > >> > buoyancy characteristics of aluminum bottles is. IF that genius were > >> > using steel bottles, then he might was well try to balance these anchors > >> > out by putting them on either side since he is already missing the boat > >> > anyway. > >> > > >> > You try swimimng with me some time, big shot, in a current with your > >> > bottles on either side falping ih the breeze, and let's see what > >> > happens. The fact is they present less total drag when held together and > >> > not moving, and the fact is that even if they have the heavier deco gas > >> > in them, the light is on the other side anyway. > >> > > >> > Let's see, Mr. Grade School education. The normal canister light in salt > >> > water is 6 pounds negative. That is on the right side. Two full 80's of > >> > air or nitrox in salt water are what, big time? Could it be -6? What if > >> > they have 50% helium? > >> > > >> > The problem is that you guys don't do jack for diving, and when you do > >> > it is a cluster and a joke. You have not tried anything that is proven > >> > by the pros to work, yet you have assinine comments like the crap you > >> > wrote below full of condecension when in fact you should be embarrased > >> > to be this publicly stupid. > >> > > >> > > >> > Jeff Waugh wrote: > >> > > > >> > > You are correct! It is MUCH more balanced when NOT scootering. Anyone > with a > >> > > grade school education knows that if you put a 20 lb. weight on one > side of > >> a > >> > > scale and a 10 lb. weight on the other, .............well, you can > figure ou > >> t > >> > > the rest! It does not interfere with the light. Put a D-ring on the > outside > >> of > >> > > your canister and your bottle attaches like normal. The long hose is > placed > >> > > under the waist strap of your back plate harness. (Note: This affords > MUCH > >> > > quicker deployment of the hose than being wrapped under the light!) > See, the > >> re > >> > > are other RIGHT ways of doing things! Don't believe everything that > is being > >> > > "Preached" on this list. Stand up and be an individual who tries > different > >> > > things to find out what works best before you just do what you are > >> > > "Programmed" to do by the all mighty elite one! > >> > > > >> > > Guy Wittig wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > George > >> > > > > >> > > > Just to fuel the flames - would you mount both stages on one side > when you > >> > > > are not using a scooter ? > >> > > > > >> > > > It seems that you would be better balanced (bouyancy and drag) with > >> > > > bilateral stages (if it were not for the scooter). > >> > > > > >> > > > Or does it interfere with the light canister and the long hose ? > >> > > > > >> > > > Guy > >> > > > > >> > > > > Steel tanks > >> > > > >> Let me say right off the bat that while I understand DIR uses > aluminum > >> > > > >> tanks (and a weight belt), that is just not sufficient gas for a > >> > > > >> swimming deep gas dive with a sufficient reserve. Maybe a 10 or 15 > >> > > > >> minute bounce dive, but our bottom times are routinely 20 to 30 > >> > > > >> minutes at 200 to 350'. A scooter could change this but most > are not > >> > > > >> scootering. > >> > > > >> Double steel with aluminum back plate (light) and aluminum > stages are > >> > > > >> needed. > >> > > > >> With this weight comes the need for redundant lift. (Here comes the > >> > > > >> flames) > >> > > > >> Two separate Halcyon or Diverite wings with a wet suit, or only one > >> > > > >> with a dry suit. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Decompression stress > >> > > > >> In order to provide the maximum safety margin while using high ppo2 > >> > > > >> deco mixes (with breaks of course) and to ease diver exertion on > deco > >> > > > >> a Jon Line is essential. > >> > > > >> The best option, if available, would be to arrange a free floating > >> > > > >> deco line before hand. But if this is not available a Jon Line is an > >> > > > >> efficient tool. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Spare Mask > >> > > > >> Since the ocean has no floor or ceiling like a cave, a spare mask is > >> > > > >> essential. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Flame away fella's!!! > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Bill > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> PS. I would be interested in hearing from any other ocean > divers who > >> > > > >> have any suggestions, as there is always room for improvement. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >-- > >> > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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