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JT, cut the bullshit. You are attemtping to make like we do something
negative in lieu of thirds. Not too smart to try that with me or JJ. The
fact is we do not usually even use our backgas, and when we do, thirds
is inadequate coverage in deep water penetrations - we are far more
conservative than that. We teach "adding up the scorecard" and deciding
when to call it - "thirds" is what we expect to arrive home with, and I
do not dive people again who can not do that. This part of our
methodology is too complex for people who can not undersatnd the basics
that I have been discussing, so will not get into it here with you. 

Armentrout is in better shape than any one of you. I am in ridiculous
shape. Obviosuly , you need to get a taste of what Armentrout thinks of
the nonsense you all hav been spewing on here. I am amazed he has not
hammered all of you by now.

1990 - McFadden was diving deep on air. He was left by his deep air
buddy. Gavin went back into the cave after doing his own dive and found
him. The original buddy went back with Gavin and towed out on the fins
of McFadden - three on one scooter. Gavin was sharing gas with McFadden(
he had run out right after Gavin found him). Gavin then ran out. Mc
Fadden died on the spot. Main had the only gas left, and they were
behind a restriction that Sheck Exley refused to even go through. Gavin
is luck he got out at all, and is was not even his problem to start wtih
that almost killed him.

I can not believe you bring up this shit. Let me tell you something. I
run this project now ( since 1993 ), and this crap is not allowed ( our
track reocrds reflects that ). The fact is I do not allow deep air
diving on my project, I do not allow anything but sidemount in that
particular cave, I do no allow buddy leavers to dive in my project, and
unlike you , I lay down the law when an obvious problem arises and keep
it from repeating. If anyone does not like it they can go elsewhere.

You do not have the balls to do that, but then you clearly do not know
at a gut level what any of the problems really are, so nobody would
listen to you anyway since there are so many other stroke boats for
hire.

Why are you leaving out the air pony betwen the tanks, JT? Why are you
jerking us around? The guys appears to have been wearing a poster boy
stroke rig. Nothing you tell me after seeing that will suprise me.
Quit being an asshole - I am not the one with the dead bodies all over
the place, you guys are. You guys need to come up with the answers.

Capt JT wrote:
> 
> Hi George
> You may enjoy some of my answers below , but do not go all wild
> I have not finish.
> .
> >JT, I don't use either, both are bullshit, and don't care. What was the
> >gear, what was the problem, what is the big difficulty just putting out
> >a simple report. Just do it and skip the slop. I hear you do not
> >subscribe to the stupidity going on up there ( according to Cobb ), so
> >why not just give us the scoop.
> 
> Then I take it that JJ does not teach rules of thirds in his classes as
> that is your wish.
> The choices I have made for me , are to my best interest.I have also added
> many things
> to ensure my survival on a very deep dive , yes I am using myself as a
> diving example to those who
> dive with me , yes I do dive with what you call stokes so they can see how
> I do it , no I
> will not make them
> un comfortable to be in my presents , they may dive as they wish , if they
> fuck up , they know I will tell,
> if they live they are invited to my cookout and pay the price.It is easy to
> set back and ask questions with really never getting into the thick of it.
> 
> >
> >What really scares me about all of these guys is that they do not see
> >how a convoluted rig makes any situation a nightmare. Getting off of the
> >line in a current is not supposed to kill you. You are supposed to be
> >divers, not parakeets.
> 
> You are correct here , but all of the experienced divers I know would not
> have
> done that and the ones who have , never do it again.
> 
> >I want to know why you all dive like Thunderdome ( "two men enter, one
> >man leaves"), why balancing a rig is so hard for all of you to
> >understand, and why ferrying around a bunch of pathetic fat slobbering
> >goons is such a point of pride in wreck "diving".
> 
> I could ask you that same question , since in your answer to my question to
> Trout , you stated you left them and got out of the water a good time
> before them.
> You do not have to be fat to be out of shape.
> 
> >I want to know what to tell Lt Tim Dickerson of the USCG if I return his
> >call . The USCG wants to know why the WKPP can dive without leaving a
> >body trail, but the "recreational" "commmunity" can not. I am sick of
> >talking to the USCG, they drive me nuts down here every time one of you
> >wacks somebody with stupidity . I told them that here they need to do
> >their job - where their is one form of stupidity, they will find many
> >others which are ticketable.
> 
> You can tell him this , if the Seeker cuts the number of trips from 11 a year
> to 4 as they are talking about (rumor) , that means all those boats that
> have been trying to get in on the Doria
> trips for the big money will get the less skilled divers , and instead of
> having a body to give back to the family
> they will have to wait 7 yrs to be declared dead , as those boats do not
> have the kind of Capt. and crew who know the wreck good enough to go look
> and recover in my opinion.Only the Wahoo is the boat that has that skill on
> board other than the Seeker.
> 
> >How about the truth this time, rather than the coverup, then I can refer
> >the USCG to you and you tell them why what is going on up there is so
> >out of control and reaking of farm animal hard headed sub human
> 
> >stupidity.
> 
> I will answer any of his questions , if you want my number to give him I
> will send it to you in private.
> It has been my past experience in life that tells me that most of the
> people with something to hide are always
> pointing at others to conceal that fact.And George I always tell the truth.
> 
> >
> >You guys are on your last set of chances up there, just like the strokes
> >down here are all but finished doing any diving worth doing. I think
> >they need to drag that piece of shit Andria Doria up on the beach where
> >you whales can collect all of the garbage off it with picks and shovels.
> >You'd probably all still get killed. In fact, you all could wear your
> >pizza stained Doria shirts while you were sifting through the trash, and
> >put up web sites showing the whole story.
> 
> God is the only one that can give real chances , everyone else is a copycat.
> Web sites often do tell the whole story , I was amazed as I read how
> Mcfaden was
> alive and then could not be saved.Many things can be learn from web sites
> to those who
> look.Just like many things can be learn from a death if you do not wear
> blinders.
> 
> At this point George I will give a real bit of info , we found the diver
> laying in the
> Promenade deck , this was a bit of luck as we were at 16 mins into our BT.We
> had already done a swept of the debris field , with no luck , swimming much
> faster than I like at
> 230ft ,vis was less then 10ft there , and we had just come up over the top
> of the boat deck.
> We were less then 10 ft Fwd of Gimbels hole.Dan saw him first and signal me
> over.I looked and there he lay
> feet first down , his face to the deck , his light was on.We ease down on
> each side , Dan on his left , I on his right.It is a tight place for 3
> divers to be.
> This is when I tried to look for all the facts I could get , answers maybe
> , why.
> The wings looked to be maybe 2/3 full , as Dan began to inflate them I
> keep looking at his gear , the stages had not been used , I had expected
> that , the stages were steel , the wings became fully inflated and the
> relief pop , the wings did not deflate as I have seen post about the bungee
> wings , but they did not lift him , we each gave lift under his arms and
> his feet pop lose as they were stuck , this is how he had sunk feet first
> straight down in my opinion.We then swim him down the hull about a hundred
> feet to the anchor .
> What questions do you have George?There is more to tell.
> JT


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