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So what happened? Also, what does this have to do with anyone else? Even they would not put a pony bottle of air between their doubles? Why have a pony with doubles? What kind of idiot would put elastic on wings? Sure they inflate on the surface real well , like a lifeboat, but they just do not seem to cut it underwater. What kind of buffoon gets to where he needs 100 pounds of lift, 50 pounds, or even 25 pounds. This is bull, and you guys just do not get it about balanced rigs. At the risk of sounding rude, let me asure you that in person I am not even close to "reasonable". Volker is a long time friend of mine, and one of my original dive buddies so his view is skewed by that. Let me go on to say that you guys fail to realize that a good wiff of air when you are having other problems at 150, 180 or any depth is not conducive to solving the problem, and that it generally makes a simple probelm unsolveable in any reasonable amount of time or to any satisfactory conclusion. Having a seizure, blackout, or whatever due to breathing the wrong gas ( even when it is your beloved air ) is a lot easier than you guys think. Call it what you will, what amazes me from this guy's gear description is how he lived this long. Also, these accounts are not telling us much of anything that I did not guess CORRECTLY up front - stroke gear config, with all of the usual accoutrements, by the usual supects, in the usual location. mhkane@pr*.ne* wrote: > > George, > > Dan Volker assures me that you are more responsive privately than publicly > so I'll take a chance. > > The facts, and you can review a detailed post I did on rec.scuba, is as > follows: > > The second team of the day went down at approx. 9:30 am. It consisted of > Charlie McGurr ( victim and crew member) Pete Welehben ( another crew > member ) and a third diver who was a customer on the boat. It was a 3 man > team designed to help the customer explore the wreck since he boarded the > boat without a buddy and didn't want to dive solo. Pete and Charlie dove > together often and Pete later told me that it was not unusual for Charlie to > abort a dive if everything wasn't 100%. The 2 had developed a practice of > Pete continuing on if Charlie aborted. ( I am not saying I agree with this, > I am just giving the facts ). Accordingly at approx. 150' Charlie signaled > Pete and told him he was aborting ( This statement comes from my discussion > with Pete on the ride home ). Pete & Charlie exchanged OK signs so Pete > assumed he was OK and continued his escort of the customer. ( In > retrospect, I can tell you how terrible Pete felt, Not that it matters ) > But in any event, another diver later reported seeing Charlie *off the line > * . I was the last team down. We entered the water at approx.. 10:00. > When Pete and the passenger surfaced at approx.. 11:00 and didn't see > Charlie on the deck they reported this to Dan. The Coast Guard was > immediately notified. I surfaced at approx.. 12:00 noon. I was informed > about what was happening and did a detailed briefing of my exploration with > Dan. The following are also facts that you should know: > > He was wearing OMS bungee wings, however upon recovery they were reported > COMPLETELY inflated ( i.e.; 100 lbs. of lift ). > > He was wearing a drysuit ( i.e.; alternate inflation source ) > > He was diving Genesis HP 120's double's for bottom gas > > Stages were OMS 46' CuFt ( Both tanks were pressurized, but NOT turned on ) > > All tanks were clearly marked and labeled. We analyzed the tanks afterwards > and the analysis was consistent with the tank markings. > > He had 2 lift bags but neither appeared to be attempted to be deployed. > > He was wearing 28 lbs.. > > He had 2900 lbs. in his bottom tanks > > and 3000 + in each of his stages. Neither rigging in his stages had been > deployed. I have read the reports about OxTox and think they are way off > base. > > While I believe that the buddy issue is a very valid issue to be analyzed in > this case, you were going off on a tangent without having the correct > facts. You obviously have axes to grind. And it's well established that > you and Tom & Bret have differences. So were I disagree with you on this > issue is that you were attempting to distort the facts to suit your desire > to slam Tom and Bret for what you perceive are there shortcomings. Mind you > I'm not defending there actions, I'm just pointing out that you are saying > on the one hand let's learned from the mistakes made in this accident and on > the other hand trying to blame Tom & Bret for it. You are trying to use > this incident as a mechanism to advance your own crusade. If the facts in > the instant case supported your agenda I would never had written that post. > But by attempting to distort the facts to fit into a profile for you to > exploit I felt it necessary to respond. > > Feel free to contact me privately if you want more facts I have no interest > in becoming part of the side show. > > Regards > -----Original Message----- > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > To: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*> > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 3:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Where was this guy's buddy?] > > >Then why don't you give us the facts instead of sepnding so much time > >trying to decide what you want to divulge? What's this "chest pound" > >crap?. The fact is that neither you, JT, nor 99% of the jerks up there > >have any business yapping about anything. What you know about diving I > >don't want to know - period. You guys have the worst record in the > >sport, and I am going to stay on you until you either change, get out, > >or get run out. > > > >The big problem is that you idiots have no clue what is wrong -that is > >why it keeps happening. > > > >The fact is that nothing any of you are doing is right. Nothing. I will > >continue to embarrass every one of you at every opportunity and will do > >whatever it takes to get my point across, including educating the Coast > >Guard as to just how stupid you guys are, if that is what it is going to > >take to stop the carnage. > > > >Now, you yapping little lapdog, either put out the facts or you shut up. > > > >MHK wrote: > >> > >> George, > >> > >> Wouldn't it be best to know the facts before you chest pound?? I know > that isn't something you are used to but why not try it for a change. I > have read you related posts and you are factually incorrect. I'm not saying > that the buddy team concept issue you are raising is wrong but you don't > have the facts relating to the dive correct. Capt. JT offered to provide > them. I was with him on the boat and towed the body back in. > >> > >> We know the facts and you don't so why don't you shut up for a few > minutes and get the facts first? > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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