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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:58:33 -0400
From: Katherine Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: tgunther@co*.co*
CC: "John R. Rose" <rose@CS*.SC*.ED*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: DIVING IS STUPID WAS Re: Doria Count?
Wrong, guy. Cave diving is stupid, and if and when I get killed doing
it, it will be extremely stupid since I have a lot more in life than
this bullshit. The difference is that Exley did not believe that he had
anything else. He had to dive wtih that stroke batman and kill himself
for nothing to keep proving it. I have nothing to prove that diving will
accommodate.

As far as me being stupid - the stupidiy is in the act itself, and will
not be a function of my methods or lack of preparation, just as it was
not something stupid my predecessor did to get himself killed other than
cave diving itself ( the cave collapsed on him).

In the meantime, our methods are the best out there, and the rest of you
either need to come up with something better, or find out why ours is
the proven best.

At least stick to the subject and let's try to learn something. I think
we can all agree that I have the biggest ego, am the biggest prick, am
probably the best all around in the business, and don't care what anyone
thinks about that.

Now, back to the subject - the deaths due to strokery. Anyone want to
argue that badly marked bottles, bondage wings, no buddy, etc are a
great idea, or do we want to find a better way. I think my way is
better, and I will be glad to explain why.

I would love to see any of you big mouths out argue me on that one.
Bring on the Navy Seals, the Special Forces, and the rest of the
philopshy majors and offended pansies. Let's go.

tgunther@co*.co* wrote:
> 
> John:
> 
> I would not be so quick to demonize other diving luminaries that have gone
> before us.    Deep diving in and of itself is a "stupid stunt" and I think we
> can all objectively agree with that, though we assume as many layers of safety
> in which to minimize those risks as we can.   Nevertheless, it is completely
> plausible, given the game of numbers we are involved in, that George too may
> meet an untimely death depending on how far he pushes the limits of
exploration.
> Should that happen, and none of us hope it does, the last thing anyone should
do
> is call him "stupid" because in hindsight he made an error that none of us
would
> ever make  (yeah right) or got lazy in something that none of us would get
lazy
> in (wrong again) or became cavalier over a procedure that none of us would get
> cavalier over.    The truth of the matter is that each of us is human, that
> despite our best of intentions we all make very stupid mistakes throughout our
> lives, and it is only a matter of time before the WKPP does the same.    So,
let
> us stop badmouting everyone who has died attempting what most of us would
never
> have the balls (some say common sense) to attempt ourselves, and let everyone
> keep the WKPP firmly planted on the earth among mere mortals, and stop putting
> them on a pedestal that neither they will be able to support forever, nor will
> the game of averages allow indefinitely.
> 
> Regards,
> Tod
> 
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