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Wrolf Courtney...Collector of the diving macabre... The wetsuit probably came into effect because he was diving steel tanks with it. If he had been diving Aluminum's wet (DIR) he would not have been nearly as negative. DIR is the total of the parts...not piece at a time...but I guess anyone who would proclaim independent doubles as a better means when one is travelling would miss that wee nuance... If he had only seen the purpose of DIR equipment selection, he would not have been diving solo, with the wrong equipment config...and this thread would never have been necessary. Sean Cary -----Original Message----- From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@wr*.ne*> To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 3:12 AM Subject: Re: Look Again - was Re: Tony Smith Accident >Bill: > >Could you give some of the basic information of this incident: > >Date >Boat >Location >A brief description of what happened, and how that is known. I assume from your >e-mail that Tony Smith jumped in with tanks turned off (how is this known? from >the recovered equipment?) and with BC not inflated, and sank like a stone. > >Or was the BC partially inflated, and valves turned off by uninformed helpers? > >How did the wetsuit affect this scenario? If the valves were turned off, then >he wouldn't have been able to inflate the drysuit either. Or was one post on >and one post off, with BC and primary regulator on the off post? > >Which BC was he using? > >Thanks, > >Wrolf > >Bill Mee wrote: > >> Kirvine, >> >> >From everything I hear, Tony Smith was a first class well liked guy. This >> only compounds the unnecessary tragedy of his death, which by all accounts >> was horrible. Certainly, Tony bears some responsibility here, but I see the >> real sinister culprits are still lurking out there. You can be dead on the >> money sure that the root causes of his death are alive and well and ready to >> claim the lives of new and innocent victims >> >> Lets look at the situation and you tell me where the key fits: >> >> 1. Diving steel tanks offshore in deep open water with a wetsuit or dive >> skin. >> 2. Wearing a cumberbun style tech BC which prevented the diver from >> loosening the bc to reach the tank valves or get rid of his weight belt. >> >> Now what agency do you know of that recommends this idiotic practice or >> endorses dangerous products that dont work and has several deaths which >> validate the stupidity of this, yet continues to recommend it? >> >> Lets look at some additional facts, which are so obviously moronic, that >> even the agencies would not openly endorse such nonsense: >> >> 3. Diving solo from a charter boat, far offshore in the Gulf Stream. >> 4. Paying zero attention to diver preparation, diver fitness (physical and >> mental i.e. stress level), buddy teams or dive planning. >> 5. Paying zero attention to diver condition following initial water entry >> (i.e. give ok sign on surface before descent), where most problems occur. >> 6. No emergency response plan. >> >> If dive charter boat captains think that they have no responsibility to >> their paying customers and there role is no more or no less than simply a >> seagoing taxicab, they are sorely mistaken. I suggest they only ask Alton >> Hall (i.e ahall@di*.co*) just how much their excuses will hold up in >> court in light of the gross negligence described in items 3,4,5,6. >> Completely aside from the issue of civil liability this dangerous level of >> negligence is morally and ethically wrong and borders on criminal >> irresponsibility. On top flight charter boats, such as the Wahoo (ask >> captain Jan) Tony would have received the sort of attention from the crew, >> prior to his getting in the water to at least have averted his gas being >> turned off. Tony was obviously so stressed out, either from the sea >> conditions, lack of sleep, unfamiliarity with the non drysuit scenario, etc. >> that he totally forgot to deal with the most obvious of pre dive >> preparations. There appears to have been a huge amount of pressure to be >> first in the water and down on the wreck, for whatever reason I have no >> idea, and this compounded the stress level. Think about it. Tony was so >> stressed that he forgot every basic premise of his dive training and learned >> experience (and we are told that he was not new to this) >> >> I also smell a high degree of twelve inch dickery here. A bunch of gun >> slinging every man for himself tough guys doing a work-up dive to 240. I >> can just imagine the scenario. The pontification and tough talk was probably >> right out of Soldier of Fortune. Nobody paying any attention to anyone >> else. It was so bad that no one noticed that Tony was missing until after >> the dive. Think about it. A stressed out 350 lb guy and no one notices him? >> What? Wait till these boneheads actually attempt to dive to 240 you can >> expect a real multiple killing. >> >> Each 12 la penga wanted to be first in the water to get down on the wreck >> and come back with the loot (some rusted light fixture or similar heroic >> junk for a coffee table). The problem is you have a lot of guys all trying >> to prove something and this is a recipe for trouble and the charter boat >> captain needs to be able to spot this situation and take measures to control >> it. >> >> The sad part is that Tony was familiar with the DIR tapes, which >> specifically address issues such as tank types and over weighting in open >> water tech diving. He either ignored this information or was receiving >> contradictory input from someone or something else. I would like to know >> who or what that is, because when we do they will have to publicly explain >> why they consider this bs to be right. >> >> We are sick of this and you have not heard the end of it. >> >> Bill Mee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> >> To: Cost effective home improvement <freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> >> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:38 AM >> Subject: Tony Smith Accident >> >> >By the way, if you ever did jump into the water without your tanks >> >being turned on, the first move is ALWAYS to undo the waist buckle, and >> >then go for the valves. You have no breath to waste finding out out if >> >you can turn them on without them being free to move. >> > >> > Been there, done that courtesy of an officious boat monkee dive >> >master who turned my tanks off at the back of the boat without me >> >knowing. Seems right and left are well beyond dive industry >> >understanding. >> > >> > Also, even if you checked your inflator, it can pop off. Weightbelt >> >has to go in this case first, get back up and get another one . >> > >> > However, in the logic of DIR, the inflator is the third backup reg. >> >Always be sure it breathes before geting into the water. If you check >> >all three regs, it is unlikely that you will miss turned off tanks. >> > >> > Parker Turner, "It is the basics that keep you alive". Practice them. >> > >> > >> >--- Freeattic list subscriptions/removals should be sent to >> >--- sallot@mi*.co*. >> > > >-- >Wrolf wrolf@wr*.ne* > >Wrolf's Wreck: http://wrolf.net >Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://wrolf.net/netmgmt.shtml > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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