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From: <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:44:28 -0400
To: Scaleworks@ao*.co*
CC: mbloedorn@ya*.co*, premier@ma*.ac*.ne*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
Well since apparently the entire list is required to contribute to this thread I
would mention that with the bt on your wrist you can observe your depth and
control your buoyancy easier, especially when running a dry suit and a bc.
Probably even more important with a double wing or a scooter, or a bunch of
stages. Remember four feet too fast and you may  get to learn the meaning of
words like atalectisis (man i hope i spelled that right)and tension
pneumothorax..

As far as only having one source of depth info, are these folks suggesting that
they would lose the buddy,have the bt die and they would continue deeper? once
you have deployed your knotted ascent line you have a reference right? and of
course your anchor line is marked in some way right? And even in zero vis you
can
feel your going deeper in your ears right?

I dont see a real problem with a spare in your pocket, but if you have a watch,
bt,compass and light cord on your arms, how much room do you have left? throw in
a knife and a wrist slate, well im only five nine, so im running out of room.

Anyway thats my dime, I am outa here.........

al marvelli

Scaleworks@ao*.co* wrote:

> In a message dated 99-05-20 14:46:13 EDT, mbloedorn@ya*.co* writes:
>
> << The point that is being made is not can you invent a
>  situation where maybe you can find a need for a piece
>  of equipment.  The point is to determine what
>  equipment is REQUIRED and what aditional equipment is
>  just CLUTTER! >>
>
> My understanding is that the DIR method includes the reduction of clutter and
> the minimizing of potential failure points. Can you really consider a backup
> BT as clutter, or an additional failure point? How are people configuring
> this backup timer on their gear where it is considered clutter? I choose not
> to wear my BT on my wrist, but on a console, clipped on the left d ring as in
> DIR. Is this extra 4 inches of console clutter? I don't believe so, I can
> check my gas, depth and time in one glance. It does not drag in the silt, or
> slow me down. How is having to check your wrist and your SPG in two different
> places simpler or safer? How can using a buddy as a backup timer be safer? A
> buddy is an unknown factor in the equation, as there are no guarantees,
> regardless of experience, how a buddy will respond in a life threatening
> situation. If your buddy is carrying your backups, they may be on their way
> without you. Can you say that you are 100% positive in a life and death
> situation, that you know how your buddy will respond? Would this not make a
> buddy a potential failure point in certain situations? Equipment does not
> panic or have free will, buddies do.
> I am not saying to do tech dives without a buddy, but I do not believe that
> dependence on them exclusively  for any backup is wise.
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin
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