Tom, to read either your posts or your standards would require a
special Evelyn Woods Dislextic Speed reading class. The fact is your
bottle scheme is ridiculous in every way, a real mess. The fact is that
nobody will adhere to this convoluted mess beyond the first attempt- it
is too confused.

  Your efforts to gooberize a simple situation tell a lot about where
your real intersts lie.

  You have a board of advisors who know nothing of this subject. Many of
these guys have yet to do their first gas dive, yet you claim them as
"experts". The WKPP has the unmatched man dives and track record that
say they do know this subject. Neither you nor any of your "board" has
made any effort to seek that information or find out why they do what
they do . This is inexcusble.

  I saw your private post to Bill Mee calling me a "dictator". This is
your usual bullshit. The fact is we have 158 members who agree with our
standards and practice them all over the world . They do so because
those of us who developed them can explain them and have it make sense -
something you can not do with your "standards". We have all seen the
results of the personal preference crap at Wakulla - three accidents and
a death. You could say we have 158 "dictators", because none of us will
put up with bullshit like that.

I saw you mention one of your BOA as "knowing as much about this as we
do". Specificly Lamar Hires. While I have the "utermost respect for Mr.
Lamar" ( to boroow from Bill "Farm Animal" Rennaker ), when Lamar Hires
does his first gas dive, I will kiss your ass in Macy's window. This is
what I mean - you are full of baloney.



Tom Mount wrote:
> 
> Obviously you do not read all the post
> the MOD sticker does have 3 inch high letters on it.
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Tom Mount
> CEO IANTD World HQ
> http://www.iantd.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>
> To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Ken
> Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ca*.co*
> <cavers@ca*.co*>
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking
> 
> >I think Tom is missing a huge business opportunity.  What if IANTD _made_
> >new IANTDish MOD stickers?  They could be cool nitrox-y colors, oriented
> >horizontally with 3 inch numerals, but the important thing is that ALL
> >IANTD divers would be required to change their bottle marking stickers to
> >the new IANTD standard!    Those who couldn't dedicate two or three
> >aluminum 80s as stage bottles would have to buy even more stickers so they
> >could cover up the old stickers.  It would make thousands!!!!!  It's so
> >simple.  I don't know why someone didn't think of this sooner!  I've solved
> >the problem of IANTD tank marking!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >At 04:52 PM 4/29/99 -0400, Bill Mee wrote:
> >>Tom,
> >>
> >>LIke a dead skunk in the road, the subject of bottle markings gets flatter
> >>and flatter, but the stink just won't go away. I have patiently read
> through
> >>your bottle marking standards.  Colored Regulator Jackets and flaky little
> >>peel off MOD stickers just do not cut it. The argument has been made to
> you
> >>politely, impolitely, nastily, obnoxiously and just about every other way
> >>possible, yet the most obvious solution to the problem still is missing.
> It
> >>is inconcievable that you don't understand the rationale and logic behing
> >>the 3" MODs on either side of gas bottles.
> >>
> >>My question is the following: What gives? You must a have a very big
> problem
> >>with this method or otherwise you would have incorporated it into your
> >>standards a long time ago.  There must be a good reason for not doing
> this.
> >>Maybe the reason is a private one and cannot be answered in public for
> >>reasons of liability or economics.  Fine, then plead the fifth.  Anyway,
> I
> >>think you owe everyone out here a reasonable explanation for what it is
> that
> >>you cannot accept about this method.
> >>
> >>I am not trying to be sarcastic and a wise guy here.  I am just very
> curious
> >>as to what the extreme prejudicial reason is for your finding double sided
> >>3" MODs less acceptable than scotch tape and colored regulator  jackets.
> >>This is a fair question and since you are already out here in the midst of
> a
> >>discussion on this public forum, in the capacity of director of the
> largest
> >>technical diving organization on earth, you are fair game.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> >>To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne*
> >><kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> >>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; William J Turbeville II
<bturbo@ga*.ne*>;
> >>techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ca*.co*
> >><cavers@ca*.co*>
> >>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:22 AM
> >>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ken
> >>>It is not just color coding however as any photography can tell you and
> you
> >>>can prove by looking there are colors such as green, yellow and pink that
> >>>are still visible at depth regardless of ROY G BIV. They are less
> brilliant
> >>>but still seeable but the point is not the color it is they state oxygen
> 0r
> >>>deco gas I or Nitrox is highly visible wording. so they are readable to
> all
> >>>and identify the gas type and in deco gas and Oxygen state mod on them,
> >>>Second the contents tape is readable to the diver, third the MOD is
> >>readable
> >>>to all, fourth the mountpeice wrap is completely noticeable as you cannot
> >>>breat around it.
> >>>
> >>>Please remove me from your CC list
> >>>
> >>>Respectfully yours,
> >>>Tom Mount
> >>>CEO IANTD World HQ
> >>>http://www.iantd.com
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>
> >>>To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> >>>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>;
> >>>William J Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>
> >>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:00 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Even your typical Openwater 1 student should be able to tell you that
> >>>>color coding things is stupid if for no other reason then ROYGBIV. Next
> >>>>we'll hear about how the students should sniff the gases to determin the
> >>>>proper amount of oxygen in the mix.
> >>>>
> >>>>kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Billy , this is what happened with Jane ORensten - not only did they
> >>>>> have no idea what was in the tanks by looking at them, they never even
> >>>>> noticed she was breathing the wrong one based on the side bullshit
> that
> >>>>> Mount subscribes to ( and actually REQUIRES instructors to do if you
> can
> >>>>> believe that ), and they did not notice that the colored regs , poodle
> >>>>> jackets and the rest of the claptrap was wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>"What's terrible is to pretend that the second-rate
> >>>>is first-rate."
> >>>>                      -- Doris Lessing
> >>>>                       (British writer)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> >http://www.pipeline.com/~nlevake/


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