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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:29:46 -0700
To: Frank Riffel <frank.riffel@en*.co*>
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
Subject: Re: Trimix Question
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Frank, those of us (ie/ almost everyone) who mix trimix (not heliar) use
partial pressure blending of oxygen, helium and air.

So, all the issues with nitrox exist with trimix.

At 07:52 PM 4/7/1999 +0200, you wrote:
>S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>>
>> >I can understand that someone doesnt want to do the more dangerous
Nitrox fills, but with >Trimix...
>>
>> What's the dangerous part?????
>> Care to explain?
>
>There are several ways to produce Nitrox these are continous blending,
molecular weight mixing,
>nitrox membrane and partial pressure filling. The typical home brewer will
use partial pressure
>filling which is the least expensive.
>
>The main hazard of Nitrox filling results from the oxidizing properties of
oxygen and its abiltiy to
>accelerate combustion. Oxygen will lower the ignitation temperature of any
fuel and increase the
>combustion rate dramaticaly. The danger is that some fuel (gaseous
hydrocarbons, oil, grease,
>lubricants) inside the tank or filling setup will explode. You can imagine
that an exploding tank is
>not healthy (btw. explosion pressure of a hand granade is ~ 1200psi).
>
>How does partial pressure filling work?
> - Transfill some amount of Oxygen with a whip to the scuba tank
> - Fill the tank with air from a compressor
>
>So where are the problems?
> - All parts that will see high pressure oxygen must be oxygen serviced,
this includes tanks, valves,
>  regulators, filling whip, pressure gauges
> - The air which is used for topping must be free of hydro cabon fumes and
oil. A typical requirement
>  is less than 25ppm hydrocarbons and 0.1mg oil mist per m3.
>
>Common failures
>  - A piece of equipment is not oxygen serviced
>  - The filling air contains to much oil mist
>  - Oxygen tranfilling is done to fast (this will warm up the scuba tank
due to adiabatic compression)
>
>For partial pressure mixing it is vital that you use an extra nitrox
filter stage after the compressor.
>This filter should be equiped with a check valve that avoids back flow of
nitrox/oxygen into the
>filter and compressor system.
>Filling an oxygen serviced tank only ONCE on a compressor without the
extra nitrox filter may put
>enough oil into it to create a serious DANGER next time.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Frank
>
>P.S. You should have heard about that in your Nitrox course.
>
>
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Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>

NW Labor Systems, Inc
http://www.nwls.com

And I suppose you want a user interface with
that.....
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