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Mr. Cobb, Are you saying that since I build equipment that I should not submit anything to these list? Again, I am trying to stop people from stealing my work. I am not advertising or promoting anything I make. You are the one who brings equipment and marketing into the discussion for reasons only you know. If anyone is promoting anything it is you. I believe it was you who told everyone that this site was up, makes me wonder where you are comming from! Mr. Cobb, let me make this perfectly clear to you, I only want my work off this web site! In the future it would be great if you would not try to confuse the issue with other material that has nothing to do with the subject. As for getting on these list, my e-mail adress and putting my name at the end is the extent of any promotion. Neither of these makes any reference to what I do for a living. On the other hand, if you look at the crowd you tend to associate yourself with you will notice that this is where all the self-promotion is generated. Barry At 12:46 PM 3/24/99 -0500, Jim Cobb wrote: >Hey, Barry, you were doing great until that last sentence. I don't buy >this "holier than though" stuff of yours, either. > >You know, generally speaking, it never ceases to amaze me how >manufacturers or representatives come on to these public forums and >proceed to directly or indirectly piss off or alienate the very people >upon whom their income depends. > >Like it your not you are one of these manufacturers and getting on these >lists with long profanity laced tirades is simply not a bright thing to >do. For every person who supports you there are ten or a hundred who >will take their business elsewhere. > >And a common saying in Marketing is "don't get mad, get even" my boy, if >you get my drift (wink, wink, nod, nod). > > Jim > >Sender: Miller, Barry Date: 3/24/99 12:13 PM > >>Mr. Cobb, >> You could not be further from the truth. As a matter of fact, your view >>seems to be in the minority. The day that you do something then have >>someone steal it will show a change of attitude, that is the day you do >>something. It is very difficult to say anything without you and your >>friends throwing in the fact that I build equipment. I am not sure where >>you get that I am doing the marketing, maybe you need to go look at this >>web page and tell us again who is doing the marketing. I am speaking as an >>individual trying to protect what is mine, while these "people" are using >>my work to sell and promote their product. If one day I decide to use any >>of my work to promote anything I do and you don't like it, then you can >>also fuckoff. >> >>Barry >> >> >>At 10:59 AM 3/24/99 -0500, Jim Cobb wrote: >>>Oh for Christs Sake, lets get real here. The reason that the ratster has >>>his panties in a wad is the fact that this web site promotes AUL products >>>and not his gear. All this huff-and-puffery is just a smokescreen and a >>>bunch of baby-like boo-hooing that, frankly, does not reflect well on >>>Miller or his products. >>> >>>You are in the real world now, Miller, you need to start acting like a >>>business professional and not a redneck hillbilly pickemuptruck cowboy. >>>You need to take your marketing medicine like a man and quit belaboring >>>the list with your whining. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>>Sender: Michel Therrien Date: 3/24/99 9:29 AM >>> >>>>Dear Pagefix, (who is Pagefix?) >>>> >>>>I am not Barry's friend, nor a WKPP diver or affiliate. I will admit that >>>>I don't always like the attitude of some WKPP leaders. >>>> >>>>This said, the reason why I wrote the message is not to defend Barry... it >>>>is a question of principle. I have no tolerance for pirating, steeling and >>>>unethical behavior such as taking someones material without his permission. >>>> I propably have this attitude because I worked in the software industry (I >>>>don't know). >>>> >>>>Is there a reason why you stay anonymous? This is another thing I have >>>>problem with... I guess. >>>> >>>>Please note that the issue for me is not legal... it is ethical. While the >>>>law may allow to copy someone's material for educative purposes, I don't >>>>think this is honest. >>>> >>>>Is it so hard to ask permission to use material PRIOR to using it? I was >>>>flattered that the NSS-CDS recently asked me to use some of my pictures. >>>>On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off if I saw my pictures >>>>without any prior discussion about their use. >>>> >>>>Michel Therrien >>>>Montreal, Canada >>>> >>>>PS: I know it is unethical to copy private messages in public forums, but I >>>>started public and I think your answer may help the rest of the crowd to >>>>understand your position. >>>> >>>> >>>>At 09:04 AM 3/24/99 EST, you wrote: >>>>>Michel the video was given to one of our sponsors and we took some clips of >>>>>it. The law states that you can us this type of material as long as you >>are >>>>>not selling it to make a profit. We e-mailed Barry with an apology for the >>>>>mistake and fixed the problem. He didn't post that part on you cavers list >>>>>just the other parts that he wanted you to see. The fact of the matter >>is we >>>>>would have agreed with what he asked but after the flaming he gave us we >>took >>>>>a defensive posture. What is wrong with him has he no respect for >>>>anything or >>>>>one? I am sorry if you want to punish AUL for Barry Millers Flaming and >>Lies >>>>>to us. But if you feel like the only way to help Barry is kicking another >>>>>company so be it. >>>>>Most people don't use the language that Barry has used to a dog but if he >>>>>wants to talk like that it a free country and God bless him. >>>>>Please except our apologies for any misunderstanding and thanks for you >>>>input. >>>>>pagefix@ao* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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