Hi All,

Here's an obvious question.  I'll preface it by saying I really don't
know much about rebreathers.  The CIS is a fully closed computerized
system, computer redundant if I'm not mistaken.  If it's computerized
and monitors O2 by sensor I suppose it does what all other computers on
the market do, log the dive?  If this is the case, how come I have not
heard anything about the logs?  I'd assume if there was a problem in the
rebreather the sensor would show a really low O2 content?  I know the
CO2 content won't show but would the O2 content shed some light on the
situation?  Sorry if this has already been thought of....

Thanks,
Art.


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]
		Sent:	Friday, February 19, 1999 7:34 PM
		To:	Bill Mee
		Cc:	rebreather@nw*.co*; cavers;
techdiver@aquanaut.com; "Cost effective home improvement"
		Subject:	Re: Natural Causes =  What Next?

		Bill, I hear Tom Mount is going to revise the IANTD
rebreather test in
		the question of "what kills the most rebreatHer divers"
to include the
		answer, "Natural Causes". In 100% of the Cis Lunar
deaths, "natural
		causes" is to blame, rather than the irresponsibility of
Stone for
		running a charlie foxtrot with no controls, no buddy
system, and no
		clue, and the usual situation of having people diving
that should not be
		doing so, as in the case of taking a diabetic a mile
underground for
		three months , letting him dive solo , and then calling
it "diver error"
		in the first round of excuses ( saying he turned off his
oxygen ), and
		then revising that to "natural cuases".

		In my experience with Bill Stone, this is no suprise.
The fact is he
		screwd up, and he may have screwd it up for all of us,
and trashed ten
		years of our work. Excuse me if I continue to maintain
the "uttermost
		contempt" for this lying scum. We need to spend the next
year convincing
		everyone that we are not the "Wakulla Too" project, and
that we have
		nothing to do with this guy, and more importantly, WHY.




		Bill Mee wrote:
		> 
		> I was quite willing to drop discussion of the highly
publicized and tragic
		> death of Henry Kendall at Wakulla Springs this past
week, until the most
		> recent USDCT press release ascribing his death to
?natural causes?.  The
		> calls from friends and relatives inquiring about this
death and the
		> coincidental connection by place (not organization)
with the WKPP were
		> getting very tiresome. Despite this I was still
willing to suppress open
		> debate on the subject until today.
		> 
		> Everyone on this list knows the killing modes of
rebreathers and the most
		> potent of these, hypoxia, will make the victim appear
to have died of heart
		> stoppage if they do not aspirate water and ?drown?.
You go hypoxic, your
		> brain shuts down, you stop breathing, you lose
consciousness and then you
		> die.
		> 
		> The well publicized death of Jane Ornstein, last
summer from a technical
		> diving accident (of which our organization was
involved in the recovery
		> effort), was ruled by the medical examiner to be the
result of a hyperoxic
		> seizure.  This conclusion was based on circumstantial
and physical evidence
		> (i.e. the deco gas had been breathed at depth) and not
on medical evidence.
		> Basically, the coroner could not determine what had
killed her except for
		> the fact that her heart had stopped. Since the facts
surrounding the death
		> were well documented it was not hard to conclude the
most probable cause of
		> demise and it most certainly was not ?natural?.
		> 
		> People get killed using rebreathers.  Should you be
forgetful of this
		> unhappy reality just whisper the words ?Inspiration?
or ?Atlantis? to
		> yourself. Generally speaking, somebody makes a mistake
(diver error) or the
		> rebreather makes a mistake (machine error). Either way
the result is the
		> same. Death.  Both Noel Sloan and Richie Pyle
initially confirmed that diver
		> error was probably to blame based on the ?physical
evidence?.  It is an
		> insult to all of us and an egregious disservice to all
of us with an
		> interest in SCR and CCR technology to obfuscate what
we all know to be true.
		> Starting up with the ?health problems? nonsense is
just the worst sort of
		> lie.
		> 
		> The death due to health problem excuse is not a new
one. In the case of the
		> Cis Lunar this convenient excuse was used to explain
the death of Ian
		> Rolland (he was diabetic). It was also a convenient
(and equally absurd)
		> excuse used cover up the real cause of death of Rob
Palmer.  In Palmer?s
		> case the idea of a spontaneous ?heart attack? in mid
air as he rolled off
		> the boat at Hurgada was so patently ridiculous that
when it came to light
		> that a deep air fest was going on the ?natural causes?
excuse was correctly
		> discounted.
		> 
		> As in the Jane Ornstein case here was a death which
was preventable if
		> somebody wasn?t asleep at wheel. She died because the
people responsible for
		> her safety were not there to help when they were
needed. In Henry Kendall?s
		> case it would seem that the same level of
irresponsibility and negligence
		> were also in force. There also was nobody on hand to
render life saving
		> assistance after the accident occurred.  If you
recall, Richie Pyle
		> documented a near fatal hypoxic incident at Madison
Blue Springs during the
		> preparation phase of the Wakulla II project. In that
case Richie was very
		> clear and up front about the man/machine rebreather
problem and that
		> correctly was the truth of the matter.
		> 
		> I can tell you now that neither I, nor any of my
colleagues, are going to
		> stand by and swallow such an insulting explanation.
		> 
		> Best regards,
		> 
		> Bill Mee


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