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From: "H20Caver" <ezimmerm@ch*.ca*.us*.ed*>
To: "Rick Fincher" <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>, "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:53:39 -0500

    As Jesse said, this goes back a long way. There has been a constant end
run by the usdct to garner the glory without doing the groundwork or
homework. Talk to those who have dived with both teams and you will find out
who was held back because of ego and the imminent upstaging that would have
taken place.  The wkpp has been more than forthcoming with almost any info
you could possibly want, except what was paid for and therefor held as
proprietary. There is an old school that will not change, despite the big
picture. The simple fact that the usdct is driven solely by the need to
prove the cis as a viable unit for extreme environments. Every thing else is
just the means to the end. There is absolutely no reason for the usdct to
have been in Wakulla when there were more extreme proving grounds available
down the road. Throw in the fact that the two teams could not operate safely
in the same time frame at the same place due to the rejection of the now
basic standards by the usdct, and you have a complete denial of the best and
most experienced to lend a hand.

    For someone who is trying to gain credibility in manufacturing to copy
and deficiently reproduce a proprietary product is contemptible. To import
the mediocre to attempt to follow the lead of those that would not
compromise is detestable. To herald a "safety first" policy and then
override and selectively apply that policy is at best negligent and at worst
prosecutable.

    Compare that with a group of individuals (and that is what they are) who
have adopted a common goal that put the safety of the team first.  Add a
complete sense of respect and responsibility to the environment, then you
have the team that has accomplished what no other team, including commercial
and military, has done.

    If you think that the egos and attitude can be suppressed or eliminated
then you are quite ignorant. These are essential parts of group dynamics
that both motivate and hold the team together. Cohesive team participation
has been what drives the wkpp-from the non divers to the tank carriers to
the gas support to the exploration divers. I would not go on a dive of  this
magnitude if I thought the support diver just wanted to dive Wakulla. I
could not be sure that they would be there in the worst of circumstances, if
I were not their primary concern.

    So, if you see a need for the extension of helping hands or for the
panacea of working together without strife, you are uninformed-EZ



Oh, and Kevin, the wkpp has disseminated knowledge. It is valuable they
would not decimate it.




-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
To: Rick Fincher <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla


>Rick - it seems to me that the WKPP did everything they could to help these
>guys out - They publicly dessimate knowledge on an everyday basis out
>diving in this enviornment.  I for one, know EXACTLY what the dangers are
>of a CCR, and I've never even SEEN one in real life.
>
>Get off their back.  These guys have NO responsibility in this death, and
>can be thanked for increasing diving safety all over the world.
>
>At 12:24 PM 2/17/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> yes Rick, this death is our fault... <snip>
>>
>>No Trout, it's not your fault. Never said it was. But this unproductive
>pissing
>>match you guys have going is not helping anybody.
>>
>>Let me give you two possible courses of action that you could have taken
>when
>>you found out about Wak 2.
>>
>>1. You could have said, "Hey guys we've been diving here for a long time
>and any
>>info you need in planning like, finding out about existing lines, existing
>maps
>>etc. we'll be happy to help out. We've also got a killer scooter design if
>you
>>guys want to try it."
>>
>>2. If you saw that they were screwed up you could have backed off and let
>them
>>do it their way without comment. The end results would have showed the
truth.
>>
>>If you guys really believe in doing this for scientific reasons then it
>would be
>>a cooperative effort, not the ego contest and turf battle it has
degenerated
>>into.
>>
>>You guys do some really great diving and have developed some really great
>>techniques that have helped the whole sport.
>>
>>Why taint that legacy by appearing to be the guy standing there with a
>bloody
>>knife in your hand after backstabbing these other guys and saying, "See I
>told
>>you they couldn't do it".
>>
>>You'd be better off to be able to say when all was said and done, "We
>tried to
>>give them a helping hand but they still couldn't pull it off".
>>
>>I could respect that. I can't respect they way you guys have behaved to
date.
>>
>>
>>Rick
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>-----------------------------------------------
>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
>
>NW Labor Systems, Inc
>http://www.nwls.com
>
>And I suppose you want a user interface with
>that.....
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