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Subject: Re: Helo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:22:04 -0500
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "Paolo Velcich" <pavel@ma*.na*.it*>,
     "Tech Diver"
Thanks for good info. Are you allowed to recover stuff off those wrecks? 
They must be a goldmine of cool stuff. You might want to check out the 
archives at www.aquanaut.com, there is some real good info over there.

I see that you are using a dual valve on your single instead of a stupid 
pony bottle. You have my admiration and congratulations on the advanced 
state of diving over there.

It is interesting that you use a FFM, is the water particularly cold? Do 
lots of divers over there use FFM's? I have not tried one, they don't 
look very comfortable. Plus you can't change gas very easily.

Glad to see that you have ScubaPro over there. Esp. since they are now a 
DIR company. I guess occasionally the divers win over the marketing 
department, thank God.

BTW, Italy is consistently in the top 5 of foreign countries on hits to 
the Trimix site, so something must be going on over there:

3580   29.71%US Commercial
2579   21.41%Network
1916   15.90%Unresolved IP Number
622   5.16% Non-Profit Organization
388   3.22% United Kingdom
287   2.38% Germany
272   2.26% Sweden
269   2.23% Australia
237   1.97% US Educational
141   1.17% Italy
138   1.15% Norway
135   1.12% Netherlands
117   0.97% France
115   0.95% Canada
101   0.84% South Africa
100   0.83% Philippines
91    0.76% Denmark
85    0.71% Belgium
69    0.57% ARPA
63    0.52% Finland
61    0.51% Czech Republic
59    0.49% Trinidad and Tobago
56    0.46% Poland
50    0.42% Brazil
49    0.41% Singapore

 Jim

Sender: Paolo Velcich  Date: 1/26/99 8:24 PM

>I live in the far north east of Italy, our sea basin is the Adriatic and
>there're a lot of wrecks all around, at various depths from 20m (85ft) or
>less to 100m (300ft) and more, but a great number of them stay in the
>40/60m range (130/200ft). The most of them are medium sized ships sinked in
>
>the big war games period (1915-1948).
>
>I must specify I'm not what you could define a tech-diver, even if I'm
>really attracted by technology and innovation and really intrigued with
>diving in all of its aspects.
>I could be viewed as a tech since I'm personally interested and involved in
>
>the technical aspects of diving equipments from years and I'm personally
>developing some new "toys" (currently under advanced development,
>prototyping and/or test) in the field of UW propulsion, lightings and
>electronics. Unfortunately the project has been delayed during the past
>months and will probably proceed slowly in the next six months because
>other important jobs on the deadline (this is my secondary activity for the
>
>moment).
>
>I'm very close to a group of real wrekkies (I gave them the address of this
>
>mail-list, maybe they're reading) and they're really informed on the
>Adriatic wrecks (they actually discovered and documented several of them).
>
>Just to add some interesting info: along the coasts of Istria and Dalmatia,
>
>there're some important diving sites (wrecks) and many others still wait to
>
>be discovered. At the end of the 1st WWar the Austro-Hungarian fleet lost
>several ships here and many others self-sunk when they lost the war.
>The St.Stephen, the admiral battleship lies upside-down in 67m not far from
>
>Mali Losinj a wonderful island in the Kvarner gulf. Its main turrets lies
>around on the muddy ground. The site is closed (for what I know) but an
>hungarian expedition visited it few years ago.
>
>My personal gear is:
>Dry suit - DUI TLS
>OceanReef NIRA full face mask - with Mares MR22 CWD first (DIN)
>Mares Abyss - MR22 CWD separate first stage. (DIN)
>Oceanic integrated console
>Uwatec Aladin Pro Nitrox
>18lt mono air (steel) with dual valves.
>DiveRite Sport Wing
>DiveRite-like weight harness
>Tusa fins
>Cressi Occhio (spare mask)
>Mares ESA (still have a pair, very good on air, the worst thing for apnea
>and or snorkeling)
>Scubapro and Technisub lamps (and obviously lot of personal prototypes)
>Scubapro SeaShuttle scooter (nice toy, poor project)
>
>---some local market info---
>Mares is very popular in Italy but during the past two years they did a lot
>
>of mistakes and got back several items from computers to ESA (Both of mine
>were replaced twice and even the latest models returned unused and
>unusable..., waiting for the next replacement) to suits. Very sorry about
>that, they seem to have a very good design and an innovative spirit but a
>lack in the manufacturing process (this is the true for the recent past and
>
>I hope they'll fix it to the old standards).
>
>Technisub was also very popular but I can see they're loosing places.
>
>Scubapro is rapidly growing on the market and I can see they're very
>aggressive.
>
>Some smaller regional companies gained the favour of the market expecially
>because the big industries deserted the annual trade show in Bologna over
>the years and the smalls got the real contact with the people and were able
>
>to satisfy their requests.
>
>---trends---
>On the more technical side, I can see Poseidon, DUI, AGA and Ziegle are the
>
>most used. DUI is really trendy but the most expensive on the market.
>Mobby's is also very popular (but still high priced) and Viking. In our
>area there's a big technical dealer (mainly a mil and commercial
>contractor) importing DUI, VIKING,Polar Bear, Poseidon, Ziegle, Force-fins,
>
>Dragger and manufacturing some very good dry suits, AQUATICA (Venezia).
>Poseidon neoprene suits are mostly visible on german divers (our area is a
>natural diving place for most of the central european diving communities).
>
>I'm sorry, I was too long but I wanted to give you the information you
>requested, if you're interested on knowing more about diving in the
>Adriatic, please don't hesitate.
>As soon as my dedicated site www.x-plora.com will move from the
>discontinued ISP to the new waiting server (if InterNic will finally do
>what I asked for months), we'll publish again an entire site dedicated to
>wrecks and techs. We previously had a section dedicated to AquaCorps since
>my friends translated and delivered it in Italy. They're still involved in
>UW publishing and they got rights for Deepp Diving, MixedGas Diving and
>Wreck Diving (already translated) and something really interesting is
>coming soon. Don't check for x-plora, it's still dead I'll post a message
>when on-line again.
>
>Deep blues and blue skies
>
>Paolo
>
>
>
>Michael Waldbrenner wrote:
>
>> Where in Italy do you dive ???
>> Michael
>>
>> I saw you mail in the tec-list and there are not many italian people on
>> the list
>
>--
>Paolo Velcich
>industrial designer
>**********************
>KORUM DESIGN
>Viale Tricesimo 5/6
>33100 - UDINE - ITALY
>Tel. (+39)0348-2611707
>e-mail: pavel@ma*.na*.it*
>http://www.nauta.com
>**********************
>
>


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