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Peter Clarke wrote:
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> John, could you please tell me what "lies" George and WKPP have posted? I
> would be interested since so far these guys have been the absolute best
> source of diving information anywhere, and they certainly have demonstrated
> with their accomplishments that they know how to apply that information.
> 
> Are you telling us that they 1) do not actually do these dives and are
> "lying " about them?,
No Peter, I am quite sure that they are doing these dives and are
experts in this area of diving.  Yes they can be a great source for
information if you can pick out the bullshit.
 2) do not know what they are talking about and
> therefor what they say coinstitutes "lies", or 3) you just do not believe
> that what they are saying works, so it seems like "lies" to you?

 Yes, then No.  As they site their and type accusation of other on this
list of lies, I feel compelled to point out that on more than a few
occasions they have posted lies about most anyone who dares to debate
them or does not directly follow in their phylisophical footsteps.  Here
are some of what I consider their bullshit and lies.
 (ex.1) George himself has made comment about IANTD standard stating
that they require such things as colored regulator, poodle pockets and
that IANTD promotes the use of bondage wings, just to name a few.  If
you or he were to actually read the standards you will quickly see that
there is no such of which has been fabricated and publicly posted, with
very little defense, by George himsef as well as a few of his following.
He has also posted his own dreamed up idea of IANTD's teaching
phylosophy in which is utter bullshit, encouraging those less informed
into believing him.  
 (ex.2) He/they have even gone so far as to edit personal e-mail in
hopes of presenting a new inturpitation to the techdiver list.  I am
sure that I am not the only one that he has done to.  This is as good as
a lie to me.  
 (ex.3) They call people liers, idiots, punks for doing the same kind of
shit they are doing.  An example would be the name calling towards
Richard Pyle for playing a guessing game and George himself several
months was playing a game guessing that the USDCT had some problems with
their lights. Childish
 (ex.4) They call Brett Gilliam a pot smoker.  Were is their prof that
he smokes pot.  If it is due to his reported USN test of the past I
would not consider that as ground to label him a pot smoker.  If so than
George himself should be labeled for his past substance abuse.
 (ex.5) One of their guys was ranting about the superior shape that they
are all in and all of their VO2 max testing only later to hear from him
that he is about 60# overwieght himself. My God!
 (ex.6) They cry foul wene someone impersonates George calling for legal
repercussions. I-fucking-ronic!  Have you ever seen a post from him
signed with his own name?  He has used his wife and sons as well as Mr.
Clarks free mail address(not you Peter).  Now he's opted to limit it to
his wifes initials, KVI.  Do I need to elaborate on my thought of this?
 (ex.7)  On several occasions he has made accusation of me, none of
which he can prove and I can promise you he's wrong.  This is because he
is full of shit and knows nothing about me or my phylosophy, diving or
not, other than the fact that I think he's a big mouth.  But he's got to
know that all ready.
 (ex.8)  He's says that he's all about diving safety and how he's got to
yell vulgar language in order to get divers to listen, but yet he
publicly refuses to assist the USDCT in any way with their earned
technology, referring to them as the enemy. Denouncing anyone who may
assist the USDCT in their efforts for success. Childish I say! One post
he's so concerned about them (USDCT) dieing at Wakulla then the next
post he wishes that they would hurry up and kill themselves.  Oh! this
spells out safety to me<G>.
 Of course I have to believe that what they are doing works all but the
school yard bully attitudes.  I have nothing against WKPP or DIR as he
might believe, just the bullshit influence (lies) they are presenting to
the community.  If I or anyone dare questions them I will surly get
slammed only because of my own confronting George on his bullshit. 
> I would be very interested in your response to this, since I have "believed"
> everything they said, but then I do not have any first hand exposure to
> these guys, maybe you do and know something that I do not. Please inform us
> if we are on the wrong track here, I think you have a duty to do that, John.
 
> I do know that this guy Dr. John Rose that you are calling a "SUCKASS" is a
> math professor at the University of South Carolina. 
Congradulations to Mr. Rose for his doctrine but I am appolled my his
tatletail like approach in his previous post.

  John (this is my own name by the way)
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