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Kent, good point. You see the problem is that dive instructors usually do not actually dive, and they do not realize this. They just hear the dyslexic malaproppings of the "experts" and believe it. Only an asshole would breath anything that he is not sure can be breathed safely. A good analogy to dive instruction and the mystic turtle boning of the Tai Chi clock watcher would be like when you were a child in the First Grade: the teacher seemed like a real smart guy to you, until you got a litle older and gained more knowledge and experience - now there is not much this guy can tell you, and what he did tell you was so simplistic and useless in reality that it is effectively wrong. Same is going on in dive insruction. Take Mike Elkins , for example. Here is a guy who traded Municipal Derivatives for Bankers Trust in NYC, and problably went to Harvard or Warton, a very bright guy who was paid a ton of money. He wants dive instruction, and ends up going to a 300 pound ex Army drill sargent who leads him to his death following the First Grade course outline. To make matters worse, what we have is as if that First Grade teacher followed us all the way to grad school and is now trying to teach us quantum mechaninics at a First Grade level - tec agencies in a nutshell - no real experience, no practical experience, no information, and a bunch of hopelessly stupid empowered half wits manning the guns. In other words, a disaster. We need to take the bullshit by the horns, and effectively embarrass these idiots into doing things right, or wait until their insurance companies either cut them off completely or force them to do it right. Kent Lind wrote: > > To follow up on George's post: > > For those of you who design these convoluted systems to identify your deco gas > by touch. Just one question. If you can't read the markings on your tank how > are you going to read your depth gauge? Do you carry a special Braille depth > gauge that you can read by touch also? If the conditions are that bad, are > you actually going to pop a deco reg in your mouth without knowing your depth? > > In a cave you normally won't be bringing your deco gas beyond the depth that > it can be breathed so you could theoretically deco out of a cave dive in zero > vis by gauging the position of your bottles. But that won't work for ocean > diving when you carry your deco gas with you. > > Kent Lind > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: KVI [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 7:24 AM > > To: cavers@ca*.co* > > Cc: techdiver; freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed* > > Subject: Don't Bother - Tank ID > > > > > > Don't bother telling me that there are situations where you can not > > see the bottles and need to have some convoluted scheme for identifying > > them, unless you will, in front of me, take two differernt handguns, one > > that is loaded and one that is not, and go into the closet and pull the > > trigger to your head on the unloaded one by "feel", "color", "poodle > > jacket" or other farm animal stupid method of identification. > > > > The fact is, for all of you instructors who are too damn stupid to get > > this, if you can not CERTAINLY identify a gas, YOU DO NOT BREATHE IT. I > > do not care what kind of assinine "standards" that have been imposed > > upon you. > > > > If you are so afraid of deco , don't dive. > > > > If you are too stupid to do it right , don't dive. > > > > If the condidions are that bad, don't dive. > > > > If you can not understand this , don't dive, AND FOR GOD'S SAKE > > PLEASE DO NOT TEACH. > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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