Great, then maybe enig will buy my used outboard.

 Jim

Sender: Walter Jaccard  Date: 11/19/98 5:12 PM

>Jim,
>
>Vinny is from England, and in England they use these funny little boats
>called "RIBs".  If you take a set of stuporwings, inflate them fully, and
>set them on the water, they look a lot like a RIB.  Now, I've heard rumors
>that guys in England actually carry outboard motors in plastic tubes
>attached to the side of their backplates so they can get home on their
>stuporwings if they get stranded at sea.
>
>Walter
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>To: vpg@li*.ne* <vpg@li*.ne*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 1:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Bondage Wings and things
>
>
>>As everybody on the lists know, I don't like stuporwings. I have done
>>dozens of posts outlining in excruciating detail the drawbacks of these
>>things and others have done dozens of posts supporting my opinion. But I
>>have been getting hate mail from those stuck with these POS, they can't
>>sell them or even give them away now, thanks to me.
>>
>>So I have revised my position. Vinney, stuporwings are the best, please
>>purchase your stuporwings from the poor slobs trying to sell them on this
>>and the cavers list. And I also recommend, seeing how you are a firm
>>believer in backups, that you purchase 2 pair.That way you will have 4
>>bladders all together, which, as you already know, is twice as good as
>>two.
>>
>>I propose, however, that you do not write your name with indelible ink on
>>your wings because these units have had so many owners, some are starting
>>to look like a innercity subway wall and are a real eyesore.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>Sender: vpg  Date: 11/19/98 11:50 AM
>>
>>>Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>Im pretty new to this but willing to learn, Im looking for some advice on
>>>equipment, initially a good set of wings.
>>>
>>>My first thought was the Dive-rite superwings but a couple of guys at my
>>>club are using OMS wings and swear by them ( Im based in the UK and Im
>>>interested in wreck diving ). The concept of the bungee cords seems good
>to
>>>me, the guys who dive with them think they are great and have had no
>>>problems but I get the feeling from you guys that they are not such a good
>>>thing????????
>>>
>>>Im reviewing my set up and approach to equipment and believe that you
>should
>>>be primarily self sufficient, to be able to deal with all emergencies
>>>independantly and that your buddy is effectively a bonus. I base this on
>the
>>>fact that if equipment is not 100% predictable, your buddy 50 metres down
>is
>>>less predictable and if something happens to him then your solo anyway.
>Dont
>>>take that the wrong way, I know in practice you can rely on the guy you
>dive
>>>with but Im talking in a worst case analysis or risk assesment.
>>>
>>>I can see the value of streamling or simplifying but I believe you still
>>>need backup systems. To argue against that goes against logic, equipment
>>>fails.period. How you recover from that is the next question, this goes
>>>beyond diving ( Im an engineer by profession ).
>>>
>>>Ive diversed slightly, what I was after was logical, fact based reasons
>why
>>>bondage wings are at best useless and in somecases fatal. What I dont
>>>understand as an engineer is that someone can say the bungee cords
>restrict
>>>the wings ability to inflate underwater? if I can inflate them fully at
>the
>>>surface then I can do the same underwater, if the relief valve doesnt open
>>>on the surface it wont under water. The increased pressure required to
>>>inflate the bladder underwater is offset by the increased pressure on the
>>>relief valve before it opens ie, ambient pressure - that is an engineering
>>>fact not an irrational theory.
>>>
>>>Im not saying OMS is great or bondage wings are great, Im trying to make
>an
>>>informed choice, some of what Ive read goes against the experiance of OMS
>>>users I know, how many of the guys here with violent opposition to these
>>>wings have used them to any extent? Im very interested in your comments
>but
>>>please respond in an intelligent manner, Im not interested in some of the
>>>personal insults flying around :)
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Vinny.
>>>England.
>>>
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